Qv And Denkell Out The Picture

[juicepig]

since QV and Denkell are out of the picture.. what are some really good quailty companies that are not underground?

[ascendant]

since QV and Denkell are out of the picture.. what are some really good quailty companies that are not underground?

there are tons, but there aren't really much of any others out there that are as reasonably priced as qv and denkall were. if i were you, i'd go ugl.

with those big companies, the stuff is just ridiculously overpriced. if you saw the price of powder and saw how much they were jacking their prices up over the actual cost of this stuff, you'd flip.

personally i'd rather advise people to go ugl cause you'll get better prices and if the demand on those big companies goes down from us leaving them for people who are cheaper, eventually those big companies prices will come down. going to the cheaper sellers will, in the long run, make better prices for everyone.

i know this isn't the answer you were looking for, but just trying to point you in what my opinion is a better direction.

[vegas702]

mexico is back they have a new lab called Stallion the vet stores are full in TJ

[juiceman619]

mexico is back they have a new lab called Stallion the vet stores are full in TJ

hey vegas ..when did u go down there. i was down there about 3weeks to a month ago and they were LOW.

[ascendant]

mexico is back they have a new lab called Stallion the vet stores are full in TJ

well since it's a new company, you can't really be sure how good they're gonna be. also, as i already mentioned, sure it's much more expensive than ugl as well.

another issue with big company stuff is it gets counterfeited. with a ugl, they make the stuff themselves, so as long as the guys reputable, there's no concerns.

however, you never know when you may get fake brand name gear. i've even heard of some of it actually making it into pharmacies occasionally. just not worth it IMO. however, if you for some reason feel better about something just because it's a bigger business and charges more, then go for it.

[layinglow]

Organon is one of the best hands down, but you also have norma, jelfa, testex, tornel all are very good

[ascendant]

Organon is one of the best hands down, but you also have norma, jelfa, testex, tornel all are very good

are you joking me?! organon is the most counterfeited product on the market, and also one of the most overpriced. you're getting ripped man.

[test=magic]

def go with reputable UGL...not somehting that looks like it was made in a effing crack den either

[layinglow]

it's not my fault your paying to mush for organon. and the joke is you thinking a UGL is better. try getting a good source and not only will you get better stuff, you won't pay too much. Inless your an UGL thats why your pushing it so much

[juiceman619]

ok...still new to this. the term UGL. ok is this a homemade lab? or are we talking secret pharm. companies in the u.s. also, if they have a website, and u can pay online...is it still a UGL. haha sorry guys i know i sound like an idiot...help me out.

[Flynman]

I haven't payed a whole lot for Organon and always had great gaines. UGL come and go and some are good and some are crap.

[layinglow]

Under Ground Lab is what it stands for. and you never know where it's made, how it's made, or whats in it. there are some out there with good reputations, but it comes down to word of mouth. sometimes you can find independent lab tests, but the problem with UGL's is the next batch could be bad. Because their's no government standards looking over them. they can do anything they want.

[hardgainer12]

ok...still new to this. the term UGL. ok is this a homemade lab? or are we talking secret pharm. companies in the u.s. also, if they have a website, and u can pay online...is it still a UGL. haha sorry guys i know i sound like an idiot...help me out.

"under ground lab"

[juiceman619]

"under ground lab"

yeah i know what ugl stands for. just wanted some more info..thanks guys.

[kloter1]

im so thankfull i have a badass pharmacy in FL

[ascendant]

it's not my fault your paying to mush for organon. and the joke is you thinking a UGL is better. try getting a good source and not only will you get better stuff, you won't pay too much. Inless your an UGL thats why your pushing it so much

wow, you have no idea... look, you go ahead and pm me whatever price it is you pay for your organon products and i guarantee i pay less than half.

you will not necessarily get better stuff from a "good source". unless your source is getting their stuff directly from the companies themselves, they may occasionally get counterfeits.

additionally, even if they do get their stuff from the companies like organon and such, that stuff has been shown to have underdosed batches countless times. reputable ugls care about their reputations, and they know a bad batch can turn their customers to another ugl. however with big companies, they don't see the customer, they just see a dollar sign. they'll underdose when they know they can get away with it and their main focus is distribution in bulk for profit.

as far as me being a ugl, no thanks. too much work, too much risk, and i can get it so cheap from experienced ugl's that i don't feel a need to do it for myself.

[ascendant]

Under Ground Lab is what it stands for. and you never know where it's made, how it's made, or whats in it. there are some out there with good reputations, but it comes down to word of mouth. sometimes you can find independent lab tests, but the problem with UGL's is the next batch could be bad. Because their's no government standards looking over them. they can do anything they want.

completely incorrect. if you go with someone who mods confirm is a good ugl, you're fine. the mods/vets know their stuff, and they know when a ugl is good or when they're questionable.

there are ugls who have been around for years and have treated all their customers great. ugls usually use this stuff themselves, so of course they're going to want to do it right!

as far as ugls having a bad batch, not gonna happen if you go with the better ones which again, just comes down to checking someones reputation from several sources. by checking them out in advance, you have far less of a chance having any issues with their gear than you ever would with a bigger company who just cares about the money.

as far as govt standards, what? do you even know where the companies reside in? each country has completely different standards, and those standards are usually to protect companies profit at the expense of the consumer just short of serious risk. the govt standards allow them a certain amount of leeway as far as quality control standards. considering they're making the stuff in mass production, there is obviously less monitoring of what gets into the stuff as opposed to a good ugl.

you seem very set on sticking with your big name brand companies and paying well over double what you should be. if you ever want to find out the truth however, just check out some forums that allow source discussions and you'll find not only that you can get great ugl gear, but for far less than what you're paying now.

[layinglow]

listen I not going to say I haven't used a UGL and I also got good results from it. But when you start buying some of the books out there that publish lab result of these UGL's they find some scary stuff in them. also you might be surprised how cheap I get orgaon sus. But your right most people can't get it that cheap. be it as it may Organon is the largest lab in the world. they created deca, and sus so all these UGL's can copy what they started. anyone that knows anything won't snub organon, and if you do, you need to spend less time in front of your computer and more time in the gym! You talk about mod and Vets, I'm talking about doctor and scientists.

[NCNPC29]

I agree. Todays market is much different than years ago. I would go UGL. Organon is definitely heavily counterfieted. Like Ascendant said, UGL's stay in business based on reputation and word of mouth alone. It can make them thrive or make them go out of business. Legitimate compaines only care about the all mighty dollar.

[ascendant]

listen I not going to say I haven't used a UGL and I also got good results from it. But when you start buying some of the books out there that publish lab result of these UGL's they find some scary stuff in them.

i wouldn't doubt it. again, it's really about doing a lot of asking around before using one. if you ask several mods/vets, it's almost innevitable that if a study came up somewhere indicating some bad stuff in that ugls gear, they'd know about it. don't forget many of the mods and vets who are comfortable doing source checks read those same books bro.

also you might be surprised how cheap I get orgaon sus. But your right most people can't get it that cheap.

you're right. i am very surprised how cheap you get it. however, like you said, most people wouldn't find it that cheap. i'm trying to help people get a better price on if they research enough, what could be just as good if not better than any big companies brand.

be it as it may Organon is the largest lab in the world. they created deca, and sus so all these UGL's can copy what they started. anyone that knows anything won't snub organon, and if you do, you need to spend less time in front of your computer and more time in the gym! You talk about mod and Vets, I'm talking about doctor and scientists.

i completely agree with organon being one of the largest labs. however, as you'll find in research on "big business", the bigger a company gets, the more corrupt they tend to become. big business economy is fairly simple. find ways to cut costs, increase sales, and increase profit margin. this is done in whatever way possible while adhering to legal limitations. however, if they can find a loophole to slip through to save a buck, they'll do it in a hearbeat. as i've already stated, they don't care about the consumer, merely about profit margin.

additionally, you will find books that have tested organon products as well that show underdosing in many batches along with other issues that are questionable.

i think i've pretty much gotten all my main points across between this and all my previous posts. again, my intentions are merely to try to help people save a buck and avoid companies that are so commonly counterfeited, they're hard to trust. just use your best judgement based on all things to take into consideration in regards to the matter.

[SnaX]

Yeah i was in mexico a while ago, and they hardly had shit down there.
I would have to say UGL as well. I've seen prices of large companies compared to UGL's price. UGL wins out. People also ask "Can't UGL underdose their product?" If you're concern is about the quality of the product... Sure, a UGL can underdose... just as ANYONE can underdose their products. I think we've ALL seen how well known companies have underdosed their products... So taking the same risk of quality with either UGL or Comps, you have to see who is more affordable.
I dunno.. i say UGL... just because i like saying UGL... say it with me "U G L" ah yes

[Ih8urdsm]

find a ugl that uses USP grade powders and a good filtration system, and sterile vials and your good to go!!

the one i use:
"All oils are made using USP grade hormone powder or higher, filtered using .22um Durapore filters and 70mm glass microfiber prefilters, and autoclaved twice for sterility."

[runninpony]

Its so weird, I keep hearing so many say that they cant find anything in Mexico. I just came back from a cruise day before yesterday and they had everything I could have wanted in each one of the pharmacies I went into in Cozumel. I picked up som Salud Labs dbol and some nolva which was all I needed but seen plenty of test, deca, and so on. Matter of fact 2 pharmacies had Denkall dbol,,but it was a bit higher than the Salud.

[layinglow]

never heard of salud, are the good?

[juicepig]

who makes UGL and Organon are they from mexico?

[runninpony]

never heard of salud, are the good?

I had heard of them prior thats the only reason I bought them,,not to mention they were pretty cheap. But Ive done research on them since and everyone who has used them say they are great. Today is day 3 for me and Im already starting to feel them..

[Flynman]

So let me get this straight??? Big company's want your money and UGL's only care about their reputations??? Then the UGL's should give it away for cost! Bro it's ALWAYS about the money.

[ascendant]

So let me get this straight??? Big company's want your money and UGL's only care about their reputations??? Then the UGL's should give it away for cost! Bro it's ALWAYS about the money.

not sure where you heard that from, but it's certainly not what i said. i never stated that ugls "only care about their reputations". of course it's about profit, but with a ugl, many are happy making a modest profit for the most part. with big companies, their corporate ladder is purely about increasing profit margin, so they're always looking to cut corners. this is not to say that some ugls don't either, but with a reputable ugl, you have the potential to find more competitive prices and someone not nearly as money greedy as the president of a large company/corporation.

with ugls, there have been certain ones who have consistently shown in lab results that their products are dosed properly and are high quality. i don't know of a single big business company that can uphold that kind of standard, as there is always batches that just happen to be underdosed to some extent or another. now, how is it that people in a ugl can keep better consistency than these bigger businesses that usually have far more advanced technology to produce their products?

the reason the ugls (the reputable ones) are more concerned about reputation is because they know if their reputation with us goes from bad feedback about their products, their business goes. simple as that. however with big business, their target isn't us, it's the pharmaceutical industry. therefore their primary target is about marketing, not quality.

you need to take all aspects of the situation into consideration to see why ugl is a better choice. if you prefer a big business, then as i've stated before, go for it. i'm just pointing out what i feel personally is a far better choice so long as the source has been properly looked into.

[layinglow]

do your home work not only are many UGL under dosed but many were found to have poisons,IE lead, arsenic, mercury. UGL's are unsanitary. I chose human grade labs any day!!!

[hippie1171]

Salud Animal and Nor Vet are abundant in vet clinics. you might get lucky and find some QV old stock, be wary of fakes though.

[vegas702]

the shelves were full on on June 10th with Stallion lab Super Test 350 & EQ for $50.00 per bottle

[LatinoPR]

....fvck it mexican gear ! ...go UG'l...!!!

[LatinoPR]

Salud Animal and Nor Vet are abundant in vet clinics. you might get lucky and find some QV old stock, be wary of fakes though.

...nobody knows how many real gear still in circulation....be carefull...

[sixfoottoo]

do your home work not only are many UGL under dosed but many were found to have poisons,IE lead, arsenic, mercury. UGL's are unsanitary. I chose human grade labs any day!!!

Really? Why would they put poison in there??? Does anyone know why I cant send PM's and does anyone know where I could have things tested??????

[RA]

Theres a minimum time in here and post count to be able to pm

[oswaldosalcedo]

bd..........