does proviron help bloat as much as letro or l-dex?

[one8nine]

okay i just want to understnad this correctly, proviron isnt considdered an AI because it is DHT derived but it has AI properties? thats what the reading seems like to me but im not sure if i am understanding it correctly

im just reading about how well it works with test but i am looking for the least amount of bloat as possible as i have to make weight for wrestling and i just want to see if i can get these positive effects but also combat bloat

[G-1000]

I get the least amount of bloat with l-dex.

[one8nine]

thanks gsxxr

any other input guys?

[Bigmax]

I like proviron ....some people like nolva...you need to try and see what works for bro...you'll different answers from different guys.

[GearIdentity]

Letro would be the most potent, blocks aromatization almost completely. Proviron is not a very good anti-e per say, but has many other benefits that other anti-e's may not have..one being that it helps makes gear work better.

[one8nine]

thanks thats why i was asking about it specifically.. too see if my gear could work better AND have anti-e in the same pill. if not i plan to go with letro alone, as bloat is my main concern

[Anabolios]

use proviron and nolva..that should cut out almost all bloat

not a hijack but just curious being that proviron is dht derived..is it going to cause the side effects like baldness and acne and such

[one8nine]

i was under the impression that because it acted like an anti-e in some ways that it would combat side effects like acne not so much cause them i dont know for sure though,

i know dht cant convert to estrogen directly so maybe you will get acne from the dht but not because of estrogen? im just guessing thats a good question anabolios thanks for the input

[stupidhippo]

i dont know for sure but I would assume that proviron would be bad for the hairline...

[Testostack]

use proviron and nolva..that should cut out almost all bloat

not a hijack but just curious being that proviron is dht derived..is it going to cause the side effects like baldness and acne and such

Foracne, not so much......for baldness, true but at high doses.....50-75mg ED is alright bro!

[Swifto]

Proviron will bind to the aromotase enzyme lowering levels of estrogen in the body. How much? I really dont know. I'd like to know though and am considering e-mailing Hooker. I know its not as effective as the other Type I and Type II AI's though. I wouldnt use it as the primarly weapon against gyno or other estrogen related sides when using high doses of androgens that aromotase heavily.

[Anabolios]

i was under the impression that because it acted like an anti-e in some ways that it would combat side effects like acne not so much cause them i dont know for sure though,

i know dht cant convert to estrogen directly so maybe you will get acne from the dht but not because of estrogen? im just guessing thats a good question anabolios thanks for the input

of course..ive always wondered that myself and i assume that if its something im wondering then maybe others might too

anyways im interested in finding this out ill look around and see what i can find i know i started getting much oiler skin when i took it but the libido was crazy

[one8nine]

as much as i like the positive effects of proviron i think im going to end up going with l-dex or letro because they seem to block the estrogen more from this thread and other searches i have done
thanks guys

[Testostack]

what about some 50 mg proviron ED and Nolva 20-40 mg ED???

[Smart@$$]

what about some 50 mg proviron ED and Nolva 20-40 mg ED???

20mg of nolva will block a whole lot of estrogen, add 50mg of proviron to that mix and estrogen should be held at bay just fine.

[Swifto]

20mg of nolva will block a whole lot of estrogen, add 50mg of proviron to that mix and estrogen should be held at bay just fine.

Agreed.

It will also reduce levels of SHBG.

Nolva/Proviron or Nolva/Aromasin IMHO.

[Testostack]

good, i'll throw that in next time

[yom]

how do rate masteron ?
seems to be as good as proviron

[one8nine]

how do rate masteron ?
seems to be as good as proviron

it sounds good but it seems you would spend nearly 4x as much money on it

[shortie]

Last cycle I ran low dose ldex and 50mg ed of proviron and got good results out of it. Next time around won't have the proviron though because of cost comparison to ldex or aromasin I will most likely just run aromasin for estrogen sides and low dose winny for SHBG inhibition.

[Angelus]

so can i use nova for lowering my estrogen?, i thougt it was just a SERM

[Swifto]

so can i use nova for lowering my estrogen?, i thougt it was just a SERM

Nolva will only block estrogen, not lower the amount of it.