Best way to keep gains

[seriouslifter]

Besides doing proper PCT, do you keep your lifts up and try to still go heavy until you know you are losing some strength, then you back off a little. Do higher reps? Still eat alot and try to maintain the gains?? I know everyone is different.

[briansauras]

Besides doing proper PCT, do you keep your lifts up and try to still go heavy until you know you are losing some strength, then you back off a little. Do higher reps? Still eat alot and try to maintain the gains?? I know everyone is different.

do a proper PCT(maybe even some creatine and glutamine), train the same as if you were on and add ~500cals to your diet.

[nygsxr1000]

bump.........i would like some more input on this issue as well

sorry for the newbie bump.........lol
but it is best to ask questions right?????????

[marcus300]

The best way to keep and maintain gains is proper pct and recover as fast as possible then maintain the new muscle tissue with your diet/food and training,

What built the muscle in the first place will keep it there, training and diet

[cfiler]

Best way is to follow a good PCT program, keep the callories high, and lift as hard and as much as you did on cycle.

[Swifto]

Best way is to follow a good PCT program, keep the callories high, and lift as hard and as much as you did on cycle.

I dont change the way I workout during PCT at all either.

[POSH]

I used to do higher reps and lower weights, but always lost alot of size after cycle. THIS TIME I did heavy pct and kept the same weight or heavier lifting and surprisingly kept most of my size. Don't change your weights, you may do a few less reps, but keep the weight the same and if you can, go heavier.

[mister.fantastic]

Besides doing proper PCT, do you keep your lifts up and try to still go heavy until you know you are losing some strength, then you back off a little. Do higher reps? Still eat alot and try to maintain the gains?? I know everyone is different.

Throw in some IGF-1.. best way to actually build muscle during PCT, diet must be in check of course

[anaBROLIC]

i add creatine to my pct to help keep strength and size.

[gymrat12345]

i add creatine to my pct to help keep strength and size.

yea, i think that is good advice, planning on using cee powder starting 2wks before cycle ends and continuing through pct.

try to keep lifts up as well, but i don't think your gona be able to throw around nearly the same amount of weight during pct., then u were while on gear.

[Seattle Junk]

Staying on GH thru PCT helps as well. I've heard many good things about lr3IGF-1 in PCT. Keeps your muscles full by enhanced glycogen retention and helps get your HPTA back. I would still recommend clomid and nolva in PCT as well. Always lift as heavy as possible and change your routines to keep muscles shocked. Being on or being off should not change your routine or intensity. Just understand when you're off you will burn out much faster and understand that. Don't expect to be automatically intense or work out as long like when you were on. You must avoid over training, that's your worst enemy off cycle.

[Swifto]

Staying on GH thru PCT helps as well. I've heard many good things about lr3IGF-1 in PCT. Keeps your muscles full by enhanced glycogen retention and helps get your HPTA back. I would still recommend clomid and nolva in PCT as well. Always lift as heavy as possible and change your routines to keep muscles shocked. Being on or being off should not change your routine or intensity. Just understand when you're off you will burn out much faster and understand that. Don't expect to be automatically intense or work out as long like when you were on. You must avoid over training, that's your worst enemy off cycle.

I'm in PCT now and I can lift the same weights, but not as many reps.

[oswaldosalcedo]

anyway in the long run your gains will disappear (without using roids again).

[gymrat12345]

anyway in the long run your gains will disappear (without using roids again).

[anaBROLIC]

anyway in the long run your gains will disappear (without using roids again).

yes please explain

[znak]

anyway in the long run your gains will disappear (without using roids again).

Who told you this?

Problem with free-speach is that even idiots can learn to type.

[pumpd4lif]

Who told you this?

Problem with free-speach is that even idiots can learn to type.

ur gains will leave when u let the ambition to suceed leave. if u push urself u can keep all ur muscle gains unfortunatly some people only work out when there on gear and they are the type of people that make those comments
and im not refuring to u znak.
he must be one of those guys and nobody wants to be that guy

im more motivated to keep my gaines then to achive them in the first place y just give somthing away u worked so hard at

anyway in the long run your gains will disappear (without using roids again).

wow to write something like that u must be the pumped for summer guy.
have some dedication to urself and ur goal and u might even surprise urself .

[znak]

anyway in the long run your gains will disappear (without using roids again).

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If you go on a Kalua and donuts diet, you can even accellerate your losses.

On the other hand if you busted your hump to get what your genetics will give you, almost all of it will stay for as long as you train with the intensity it took to gain them.

People, who puff up and then deflate like balloons are typically far from their natty potential when they do their cycle and typically use water retentive compounds (dbol). This is also usually exacerbated by a complete lack of PCT.

But other than that, they usually have a lot of great advice to give others.

[1buffsob]

anyway in the long run your gains will disappear (without using roids again).

Congratulations. I present to you the "Bonehead Comment of the Week" award.

Now please explain your comment............ or............. go put your helmet back on.

1buffsob

[anaBROLIC]

Congratulations. I present to you the "Bonehead Comment of the Week" award.

Now please explain your comment............ or............. go put your helmet back on.

1buffsob

lmao..thats funny..

he wont come and explain it. the next thing he will do is ask what does PCT stand for

[oswaldosalcedo]

lmao..thats funny..

he wont come and explain it. the next thing he will do is ask what does PCT stand for

so bright, mr anaBROLIC, .........lol..........
you are so bright, a lot intelligence excessive ! the super expert !

read:

Nova & Letro for PCT ??
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=195996


Estrogen, Progesterone and Cortisol control
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=201645

[anaBROLIC]

so bright, mr anaBROLIC, .........lol..........
you are so bright, a lot intelligence excessive ! the super expert !

read:

Nova & Letro for PCT ??
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=195996


Estrogen, Progesterone and Cortisol control
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=201645

chill out brother. i was messin round.

[gymrat12345]

Congratulations. I present to you the "Bonehead Comment of the Week" award.

Now please explain your comment............ or............. go put your helmet back on.

1buffsob

[marcus300]

Congratulations. I present to you the "Bonehead Comment of the Week" award.

Now please explain your comment............ or............. go put your helmet back on.

1buffsob

dont hold back tell him straight lol

[pumpd4lif]

i tend to do high reps (12-15)on cycle and when i come off i also add no-explode and creatine, l gluti,and lift lower reps higher weight to give the muscle that off cycle shock ....and eat big children

[LatinoPR]

....proper pct,diet,and traning,...



LPR.

[pumpd4lif]

he is now on to that other forum were THAT GUY hangs out and know body wants to be THAT GUY
lmfao

[D-Money]

I heard agressive pct, increase calories, reduce volume, focus on keeping your strength up.

[stupidhippo]

actually oswald is a pretty knowledgeable guy... u can see it from many inputs he has put to some "good" threads... I also tend to lose what I have gained in the long run.. not the first two months but long after PCT the gains slowly waist away... Now this only applies to my bench which is by far my best exercise (a lil under 410 lbs). Legs and back where i was still gaining even natty I managed to keep my gains.. I also suspect that there can be a some sorta of limit where u can go natty and if u exceed this limit with roids u are gonna go back to the same limit if enough time passes from roid use.. I sure hope it aint so but it really seems so from my own limited experience. . Looking at my friends who juice the most keepable gains have come to ppl who arent close to their "genetic potential" as some1 here stated..

[oswaldosalcedo]

actually oswald is a pretty knowledgeable guy... u can see it from many inputs he has put to some "good" threads... I also tend to lose what I have gained in the long run.. not the first two months but long after PCT the gains slowly waist away... Now this only applies to my bench which is by far my best exercise (a lil under 410 lbs). Legs and back where i was still gaining even natty I managed to keep my gains.. I also suspect that there can be a some sorta of limit where u can go natty and if u exceed this limit with roids u are gonna go back to the same limit if enough time passes from roid use.. I sure hope it aint so but it really seems so from my own limited experience. . Looking at my friends who juice the most keepable gains have come to ppl who arent close to their "genetic potential" as some1 here stated..

thanks !

the quantity of muscle gained to 240 pound cannot be sustained with normal test levels,in spite of that you make.
you let the roids and anything go slowly............in the long run,pct or no pct,train or don't train to think otherwise is wishful thinking.
keepable for 2-3 month and again roids? that is not to maintain the muscle
without roids or pct or ect.
if your you say of going from 160 to 180, I would say perhaps.........

[1buffsob]

thanks !

the quantity of muscle gained to 240 pound cannot be sustained with normal test levels,in spite of that you make.
you let the roids and anything go slowly............in the long run,pct or no pct,train or don't train to think otherwise is wishful thinking.
keepable for 2-3 month and again roids? that is not to maintain the muscle
without roids or pct or ect.
if your you say of going from 160 to 180, I would say perhaps.........

That's a very sad attitude. Granted, Ronnie and Jay couldn't keep there size without ancilleries. But who the hell here has the size of a pro BB?? Only about 6 come to my mind. But the average gym rat weighing 220lbs at 10%bf can easily maintain with the right diet and intense training. Genetics and age come into the equation, sure. But to come right out and say that all gains will eventually be lost, is just stupid.

Hell, we'll all be dead "in the long run".

1buffsob

[oswaldosalcedo]

That's a very sad attitude. Granted, Ronnie and Jay couldn't keep there size without ancilleries. But who the hell here has the size of a pro BB?? Only about 6 come to my mind. But the average gym rat weighing 220lbs at 10%bf can easily maintain with the right diet and intense training. Genetics and age come into the equation, sure. But to come right out and say that all gains will eventually be lost, is just stupid.

Hell, we'll all be dead "in the long run".

1buffsob

stupid your mother big a..sss hole

[pumpd4lif]

stupid your mother big a..sss hole

better to be pissed off then i guess

[marcus300]

stupid your mother big a..sss hole

It all depends on how muscle tissue you are trying to maintain over your genetic potential, i know guys who cycle once every 2 years and maintain all their gains but if we are talking about the likes of Colman,Cutler this would be a different matter,

You have to remember what put the muscle there will keep it there, intense training and a good solid diet with an increase of protein to match the new muscle tissue and a healthy lifestyle,

Its hard to say either yes or no because everybody would be different in what they are trying to maintain, size wise!

Oswaldosalcedo- your attitude stinks with your stupid remarks, no one is trying to take it personal its just a discussion, so act like you can handle the test and not like a unintelligent child

[Liftnainez]

chill DuDeZ

[mkrulic]

keeping gains will depend a lot on when you begin taking gear. I started when I was plateued on every lift. so, s/ gear, I went PAST where I'd be if I never took gear. so how could I possibly stay there w/o continuing gear? I cant. If I quit the gear I drop back to where my plateau marks are. I've read on this board where people begin using after just 8 months of lifting. (just yesterday) in this case one cycle wont even get him close to his natural plateua marks. so, imho, it really down to when you begin using.

[Stumbo]

Im going to have to go out on a limb here and agree with oswald.

If you achieve your peak natural muscle mass, then do a cycle, you will gain muscle, and you may be able to keep it for a few years. But eventually, your body has to return to its natural state, our natural test levels just arnt able to support large amounts of muscle mass.

however, if you have not yet achieved your peak natural mass, you can keep those gains.

[BOBBY D]

keeping gains is the most difficult.. the steroids help get u there along w/ diet. coming off & following pct & keep ur calories high will help maintain ur size, but ur strength w/ slightly fluctuate & decrease. i personally believe that u can never keep all ur size because ur bodies natural testosterone wont be able to maintain it.. so u will lose slightly.. diet is key

[fanatic]

Eat ALOT and don't over train. Still lift heavy, just limit your sets and reps.

[BajanBastard]

Oswaldosalcedo is an intelligent member and has posted great info in the past.

Anyway his statement is correct but was to broad. I'm 240lbs @ 5'11 13-15% BF and i've kept all on my AAS cycle gains (2) this tells me i'm not past my genetic limit. However i suspect when/if i reach 260+ with <10%BF the use of AAS will be NEEDED to maintain that condition.

lmao..thats funny..

he wont come and explain it. the next thing he will do is ask what does PCT stand for

so bright, mr anaBROLIC, .........lol..........
you are so bright, a lot intelligence excessive ! the super expert !

read:

Nova & Letro for PCT ??
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=195996


Estrogen, Progesterone and Cortisol control
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=201645

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