Newbie question, 1st cycle deca and test

**YZFR1Tim** · 06-27-2006, 07:37 PM

First of all. Please don't bash me or tell me to look at other threads. I have done hours of research on this site. Most threads are full of information, some are not so good.

Anyway, I am going to give you my stats 1st:
-5'9 190 lbs
-28 years old
-Worked out heavy for over 10 years
-work out about 1 to 2 hours a night
-Good nutrition (need to up my protein intake, currently about 160 grams daily)

Most people think i am on steriods right now. Almost everyone assumes. What they don't know is that I have never tried them. But thats about to change.

I just ordered two 20s of deca and test enanthate for my first stack. Being that I am not looking for amazing results within 2 weeks, I am going to start off slow. My body fat is probably 12 to 14% and I do NOT want that to skyrocket.

For my first stack I was thinking of taking 400 deca a week and 400 test a week.
FIRST QUESTION: Should I work up to that (ie 200 of each a week?)

SECOND QUESTION: I know most people use deca for bulking and all use test for bulk, but what should I expect from 400 of each for my 1st cycle?

THIRD QUESTION: My goal is NOT to become a 300 monster. I am trying to cut 5 more pounds before starting (taking my weight to 185). Ideally, I want to put on 10 pounds of rock hard muscle. Is that possible with a good diet and this for my first stack?

I know to some, these may be dumb questions. I have done lots of research on here and know more than most newbies starting out. I just want to get some good feedback from you veterans out there.

Thanks for the good replies!

**Streaker** · 06-27-2006, 08:05 PM

If you read as many post as you say you read you should know that everyone on this site is going to tell you not to use the deca on your 1st cycle. The standard cycle is 500 mgs of a single blend of test. You do this so you know how your body reacts to test. If you use deca and test on your first cycle you will have no idea if it's the deca or the test that is the cause of your side. You will get great results from a test only cycle.

Diet is the key to everything while you are on your cycle. Spend a lot of time in the diet forum and you will learn all you need to know to meet your goals with a simple test cycle.
Good Luck.

**Prada** · 06-27-2006, 09:01 PM

1)Save your money and stick to a test only cycle to start. You will attain your 10 lbs easily, keep the deca for 2nd cycle.
2) DO NOT pyramid you dosages if that is what I understood you contemplating.
3)Finally always take slightly more test then Deca

**rise2gr8ness** · 06-27-2006, 09:23 PM

I agree, test is best.

Do u have a 5alpha reductase inhibitor...Do you have any predisposition to male pattern baldness, if so u must use dutastride aka avodart to keep that form happening.

Are you currently using propecia?

what is your anti estrogen?

Do you have your pct in order, do you know what that is?

How many calories per day do you plan on eating?

Answer these questions and we can help u-

**YZFR1Tim** · 06-28-2006, 06:26 AM

Thanks for the help guys, I will post back replies later tonight.

**YZFR1Tim** · 06-28-2006, 12:03 PM

Thanks for the replies. For what I have heard and for what I read on here, lots of people said that Deca and Test were a good choice for a first stack. I ordered two 20s of each. I think that should be enough for a first cycle.

Anyway, some of you are saying NOT to use the deca and just use the test? How much test? and why shouldn't I pyramid?

I am looking to order my pct right now. What do you guys suggest?
Again, I want to put on solid muscle and thats it. I have a very low metabolism, and my nutrition is on par.
I do not want to balloon up and retain 10 pounds of water. I can nearly bench 400 without using anything, so it will be interesting to see how this stuff take me off of my plateaus.

Thanks for the help

**YZFR1Tim** · 06-28-2006, 05:08 PM

bueller anyone?

**SMAN12b** · 06-28-2006, 05:17 PM

Go with test E @ 500/week for 12 weeks
PCT starts 14 days after last Test E injection

There is a PCT profile, go there and check it out so you understand what you need.

I would have everything on had BEFORE starting yoru cycle.
suggest HCG , Clomid, Nolva for your PCT
You may or may not want to use and AI during they cycle like Arimidex or Letro to control bloating

Your gains will be 90% dependant on yoru Training and diet not the AAS you use.

Hope this helps

**YZFR1Tim** · 06-30-2006, 12:48 PM

So should I drop the deca or keep it? what about substiting eq in place of deca?

**Cornholio** · 06-30-2006, 01:27 PM

You don't need the deca or eq first cycle. Just go with Test E 500mg twice per week. Save the deca for your next cycle. Get all your pct before starting the cycle.

**RAM2500** · 07-01-2006, 01:42 PM

Everybodies right, on your first cycle you should do a TEST only cycle, somewhere in the neighborhood of 500mg. At the end of the day your going to do what you want to do, I did. If thats the case then run you TEST higher then the DECA . You will find alot of good TEST & DECA cycles on this board. READ and above all make sure you have your PCT in order prior to starting.

**THE_DOME** · 07-01-2006, 01:52 PM

for cycle two try 500mg test and 400deca, deca should be less

**2DaTop** · 07-02-2006, 09:04 PM

Same here, use the test now. Keep the deca for your next cycle and stack it with something else next time around.

**kloter1** · 07-02-2006, 10:09 PM

im into my 5th week of my first test cycle. dood the gains are awesome by itself. trust me youll love it.

**Liftnainez** · 07-02-2006, 11:31 PM

bro you can run test and deca for your first cycle.. and you dont need to have the test higher than the deca.. parrots read something and then go spread that lie around..you can have 250 mg of test and 400mg of deca per week and you will be FINE.. test and deca for a first cycle is a good solid one.. with proper diet and good training routine you should be good to go..

**Liftnainez** · 07-02-2006, 11:32 PM

and I always suggest to actually do something yourself.. just bc you hear something is "not" supposed to be run a certain way doesnt mean its wrong.. everybody reacts diff to every compound.. good luck

**Anabolios** · 07-02-2006, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by Liftnainez

and I always suggest to actually do something yourself.. just bc you hear something is "not" supposed to be run a certain way doesnt mean its wrong.. everybody reacts diff to every compound.. good luck

def agreed....i think i seen nark say (even though he hates me

) mix three low dose compounds for your first cycle... test,dht derivative,and 19-nor maybe he or someone else can chime in with this suggestion i think test and deca is perfectly fine for a first cycle though could bring some complications with recovery and you wont know exactly where your side effects are coming from but that can happen with any compound besides primo

**one8nine** · 07-03-2006, 10:30 AM

sense you made that purchase already i would personally run test at 400mg/wk and deca at 300mg/wk i have never done test alone but thats just me

**funnysony** · 07-06-2006, 03:14 PM

sorry for interuption
with 250 test / week and 100/deca do i have to run nolvadex with this
i now its a low dosage bu i want to do test to my body and how it react

**Anabolios** · 07-06-2006, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by funnysony

sorry for interuption
with 250 test / week and 100/deca do i have to run nolvadex with this
i now its a low dosage bu i want to do test to my body and how it react

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