pct questions

[russia dog]

how many days/hours after last injection of HCG till u start PCT??
test Enanthate ??? winstrol ??? proviron ????

i ran 13 weks of 500mg eq
15 wweeks of enan
what pct protocal to run?

[shortie]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ny+Roberts+PCT

Here's the short and simple of it, but it makes a damn good read-

Week Nolvadex / HCG / Aromasin / Vitamin E
1 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
2 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
3 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
4 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
5 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
6 20mgs/day

[JohnboyF]

I dont really understand the question to well.From what i can understand here is some info
Anadrol /Anapolan: 24 hours after last administration
Deca : 21 days after last injection
Dianabol : 24 hours after last administration
Equipoise : 21 days after last injection
Fina: 3 days after last injection
Primobolan depot: 14 days after last injection
Sustanon : 18 days after last injection
Testosterone Cypionate : 18 days after last injection
Testosterone Enanthate : 14 days after last injection
Testosterone Propionate : 3 days after last injection
Testosterone Suspension : 24 hours after last administration
Winstrol : 24 hours after last administration
by Pheedno

[JohnboyF]

BY pheedno


My post cycle therapy consists of a three compound administration which is designed so that there is a primary and secondary LH stimulator which both are maximizing potential early in the duration; with the primary being phased out in extended protocol. With the addition of an Aromatase Inhibitor, which makes the above possible, the individual will also endure less of an increase in Sex Hormone Binding Globulin, which allows free testosterone levels to reach base line at a much quicker pace. The individual will also see less of a problem in most cases with sexual libido as the bounding SHBG is controlled(to an extent). Below you will find my suggested bare minimum, as well as a sample of an extended protocol. Extended PCT protcol is cycle length dependant so the below is not the standard for all cycles


PCT for cycles 8-16wks:
Day 1-30- .25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva

Extended protocol sample for a 12+ month cycle:
Day 1-15_ .25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva
Day 16-45_.25mg L-dex + 75mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva
Day 46-65_.25mg L-dex + 20mg Nolva
Day 66-80_.25mg L-dex

Now IMO, selective estrogen receptor modulators(SERMs) such as Clomiphine and Tamoxifen are selective to which tissues they bind too. Clomid being selective to the suprapituitary, while Tamox is selective to breast, bone, and liver ERs. I've come to this conclusion based on the comparison of studies on both SERMs. In every study showing benefit to HPTA from tamoxifin, the duration of the administration is 3-12months(This includes studies cited by William Llewellyn in his Nolva vs Clomid article). In studies showing levels of LH, FSH, and Testosterone checked after short durations of tamox, they were either insignificant, or their was an actual drop. I believe this is because tamox selectively works at the mammery(as well as bone and liver), thus taking longer for LH stimulation to occur.
With clomid, benefit to gonadotrophin concentrations, LH, FSH, and serum testosterone can be seen in short periods of 2-6wks. Because of the apparent selective nature of the two, and given our usual PCT duration, clomid is by far superior at LH stimulation than Nolva. Now both is the wise choice for a couple of reasons:

1. Nolva acts as the preventive measure to the estrogen flux
occured PC while clomid is the primary LH stimulator(Even more so in the case an AI is not used).
2. If your running a longer PCT, clomid needs to be discontinued after a while as it has been shown to desensitize GnRH, this due, IMO, to it's selective nature to the suprapituitary. In the longer forms of PCT, the clomid will be phased out, leaving Nolva and L-dex

Arimidex (or L-dex)
Estrogen is the main inhibitence of restoring HPTA, and AI administration has been shown to increase gonadotrophin concentrations and serum Testosterone by up to 50%. In addition, by adding L-dex, the inhibitence of excess estrogen allows Tamox to work greater at LH stimulation in the begining stages of PCT, since the need to prevent binding in the mammery is lessened by the reduction in estrogen biosynthesis
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[russia dog]

what about hcg /winstrol /priviron

[shortie]

what about hcg/winstrol/priviron

For PCT?

[russia dog]

how long do i stop them before i start 300 clomid

[russia dog]

after my last shot of enan, should i run some prop to bridge it till pct?

[shortie]

You can run the Winstrol /Proviron right up to PCT, for the HCG I actually use it as part of my PCT as you can see by Hooker's protocol. Yes you can run the Prop right up to PCT also, I have done this and really like it because it eliminates the middle ground between cycle and PCT.

[russia dog]

when do i start prop? how many days after last shot of enan

and how many mg if i were to run 750/wk enan

how many days before pct do i stop prop?

[shortie]

I start my prop the week after my last long ester inject, I ran it 50 mg day 1, 50 mg, day 2 then 100 mg ed up to pct. Not exactly precision blood levels but it did what I wanted. I stop the day before beginning PCT myself.

[russia dog]

oh... what about hcg ?

[PlasticFuture112]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ny+Roberts+PCT

Here's the short and simple of it, but it makes a damn good read-

Week Nolvadex / HCG / Aromasin / Vitamin E
1 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
2 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
3 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
4 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
5 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
6 20mgs/day

would you really have to run the HCG or would the other three be sufficient enough alone on PCT? from my understanding Aromasin is a better version of clomid and that is what the replacement is?

[russia dog]

so is 100clomid ed and 20 nolva ed for 4 WEEKS effective as a PCT with frontload 300clomid first day