using DNP to come off a cycle

[dimentia]

when is the best time to use DNP to come off a 12 week cycle of test e?

[dimentia]

bump?

after reading some of the stupid ass posts and threads today I can't beleive this post is getting ignored. Or maybe that's the problem. It's not a stupid post

[gymrat12345]

i think it is because no one know wut the you are talking about. u want to use DNP for pct?! wtf;.....

[dimentia]

i think it is because no one know wut the you are talking about. u want to use DNP for pct?! wtf;.....

I knew somebody would post some stupid shit like that. No, look under the DNP profile and it talks about how some people use it when comming off a cycle because your body is in an anobolic state when you come off of DNP. Not for PCT. Go bump up your thread count some where else

[*Narkissos*]

I knew somebody would post some stupid shit like that. No, look under the DNP profile and it talks about how some people use it when comming off a cycle because your body is in an anobolic state when you come off of DNP. Not for PCT. Go bump up your thread count some where else

I read about it.. and contemplated it as well (actually may institute it in a couple days.. not sure yet)

The argument is that gear suppresses thyroid function on cycle... That the thyroid rebounds post-cycle and with the elevated metabolism muscle is catabolised during PCT... As dnp suppresses thyroid function (but doesn't appear to affect the testes etc.) logically that gives a potential use during this time

Right now i'm in PCT.. i'm running t4 to suppress TSH.

If you were using DNP for this purpose, you would start it (at the latest) when your gear clears (i.e. at the start of PCT)... or rather 2 days prior.. as DNP has a 36-hour half-life (don't quote me on that.. that's off the top of my head.. as is my suggestion).

Nark

[BajanBastard]

I'm researching this topic right now actually! The dose would be a lot lower than the standard 400-600mg/day.

[Seattle Junk]

I just don't think DNP during PCT is a good idea. Your HPTA needs to come back first and foremost. You don't feel exactly healthy while on DNP so that tells you something, your body is being taxed. That can't be a good state to be in while trying to get your balls to produce natty test? You would be on clomid and nolva most likely and I would hate to think about the sides while crossing clomid and DNP.

What's with the bad attitued dimentia? You're crying like somebody owes you something here.

[Homeguard]

The "anabolic rebound" theory by Mr Duchaine. Hmm. Has this been shown to be correct yet

[*Narkissos*]

I'm researching this topic right now actually! The dose would be a lot lower than the standard 400-600mg/day.

Yes, SV-1 proposed that the dose that would facilitate the suppression of TSH would be 200 mg actually.

[Seattle Junk]

The "anabolic rebound" theory by Mr Duchaine. Hmm. Has this been shown to be correct yet

Yes, Dan is right about that but that rebound doesn't happen until about a week after your last DNP dose. It's more like increased glycogen uptake due to the body trying to balance itself out after the DNP was burning carbs in hyper mode over the past few weeks.

Why not wait a month after AAS when your HPTA is hopefully back to normal? By that time you will have lost all of the water and garbage weight from AAS. I did DNP last time 2 months after my cycle.

[*Narkissos*]

Your HPTA needs to come back first and foremost.

True.. but i'm yet to see any evidence at all that would suggest DNP affects the HPTA.

The only indirect affliction would be free radicle damage to the cells of the testes... and this is controllable tru the use of anti-oxidative compounds (pycnogel etc.)

You don't feel exactly healthy while on DNP so that tells you something,

'feeling' and 'being' are independant states.

Feeling like shit isn't an indicator.

If it was.. Chemo wouldn't be a viable treatment for cancer.

That can't be a good state to be in while trying to get your balls to produce natty test?

Speculative.

You would be on clomid and nolva most likely and I would hate to think about the sides while crossing clomid and DNP.

I'll tell you in a couple days from first hand experience.

You are most likely referring to the occular-abnormalities which can manifest themselves with clomid.. compounded with the occular-degenerative (potential) properties of DNP.

Well, clomid's vision irregularities are dose dependant. Personally i run no more than 50 mg of it during PCT. Nolva's vision irregularities are a rarity (for one...and two: ), dose-dependant as well.

DNP's occular-degenerative properties may stem from the depletion of anti-oxidants, namely gluatione.

This is in response to the increase in free radicles. This depletion can be treated by increasing vitamin C and E supplementary dosages respectively. Studies show that an increase in vitamin C and E will increase gluatione..Additionally pycnogenol (etc.) can assist.

Nark

[BajanBastard]

DNP may also have anti-catabolic properties.

[Seattle Junk]

True.. but i'm yet to see any evidence at all that would suggest DNP affects the HPTA.

The only indirect affliction would be free radicle damage to the cells of the testes... and this is controllable tru the use of anti-oxidative compounds (pycnogel etc.)



'feeling' and 'being' are independant states.

Feeling like shit isn't an indicator.

If it was.. Chemo wouldn't be a viable treatment for cancer.



Speculative.



I'll tell you in a couple days from first hand experience.

You are most likely referring to the occular-abnormalities which can manifest themselves with clomid.. compounded with the occular-degenerative (potential) properties of DNP.

Well, clomid's vision irregularities are dose dependant. Personally i run no more than 50 mg of it during PCT. Nolva's vision irregularities are a rarity (for one...and two: ), dose-dependant as well.

DNP's occular-degenerative properties may stem from the depletion of anti-oxidants, namely gluatione.

This is in response to the increase in free radicles. This depletion can be treated by increasing vitamin C and E supplementary dosages respectively. Studies show that an increase in vitamin C and E will increase gluatione..Additionally pycnogenol (etc.) can assist.

Nark

Good post, thanks Nark. Can you log your PCT with DNP? Thanks bro.

[guest589745]

True.. but i'm yet to see any evidence at all that would suggest DNP affects the HPTA.

The only indirect affliction would be free radicle damage to the cells of the testes... and this is controllable tru the use of anti-oxidative compounds (pycnogel etc.)



'feeling' and 'being' are independant states.

Feeling like shit isn't an indicator.

If it was.. Chemo wouldn't be a viable treatment for cancer.



Speculative.



I'll tell you in a couple days from first hand experience.

You are most likely referring to the occular-abnormalities which can manifest themselves with clomid.. compounded with the occular-degenerative (potential) properties of DNP.

Well, clomid's vision irregularities are dose dependant. Personally i run no more than 50 mg of it during PCT. Nolva's vision irregularities are a rarity (for one...and two: ), dose-dependant as well.

DNP's occular-degenerative properties may stem from the depletion of anti-oxidants, namely gluatione.

This is in response to the increase in free radicles. This depletion can be treated by increasing vitamin C and E supplementary dosages respectively. Studies show that an increase in vitamin C and E will increase gluatione..Additionally pycnogenol (etc.) can assist.

Nark

Is it just me or does anyone else never understand what the hell yer tryin to say?

I know its some intelligent shit but damn, I have almost no idea what the hell that meant. Friggin acular abnormalities of glucacortiride testicular hepatitus cerviacal carcinoma an shit lol.

Yer too smart for my ass.

I need a nap............

[*Narkissos*]

DNP may also have anti-catabolic properties.

True... All in all the more i read about it the more interesting it becomes.

[*Narkissos*]

Good post, thanks Nark. Can you log your PCT with DNP? Thanks bro.

I won't be able to log it sorry bro (due to the board's veiwing by people back home i gotta cut down on some the documented stuff. This was brought to my attention by a relative stranger sometime last week. )

I will tell you my pct right now consists of:

40 mg Nolva ED (3 weeks)
50 mg Clomid ED (3 weeks)
100 mg DHEA (4 weeks)
Slin 10 IUs pwo (6 weeks)
t4 400 mcg ED (6 weeks)

This'll take me right up to my show (i'm cutting and it's drug-tested).

When the DNP arrives i'll add it (@week2: for 20 days: 250 mg ED)

I've ordered t3 and clen as well.. but they've yet to arrive... so i may not include 'em

As it stands the t4 is suppressing TSH pretty well on its own.. and optimising my metabolism as well... I thought i'd try clomid and nolva this PCT.. but at a lower dosage: 50 mg as opposed to the 150-100-50 reverse ramp people advocate on the boards. With me, 100 mg of clomid and i start seeing shit.. that's from past experience. The nolva+clomid+DHEA (thanks Bryan2) are working...hell i'm popping some serious wood!

I may drop the t4 t0 200 mcg ED when i start the DNP.. everything else will remain the same. I'll add Vitamin C @ 3-5 gr and Vitamin E at 400-800 IUs however.

Nark

[*Narkissos*]

I'll bump this for other input

Heading to bed now (yea early... cutting is sapping the energy from me )

Hope to see more input on this very interesting topic later

Nark

[yom]

all natural lol , just go the untested .

[dimentia]

Narkissos, thanks for the input. I'll pm you to ask you how this worked out for you. I'm interested in trying this during my PCT. I'm into week 5 of a test e only cycle at 250mg 2x/wk and I'd like to cut a little at the end.

I just don't think DNP during PCT is a good idea. Your HPTA needs to come back first and foremost. You don't feel exactly healthy while on DNP so that tells you something, your body is being taxed. That can't be a good state to be in while trying to get your balls to produce natty test? You would be on clomid and nolva most likely and I would hate to think about the sides while crossing clomid and DNP.

What's with the bad attitued dimentia? You're crying like somebody owes you something here.

who's crying. I love it when somebody who just joined this month with over 100 posts tries to flame me in my thread with a stupid statement like that. other than that I don't have an attitude, I love everybody man. Even assholes like you

[fred9]

i also heard a while ago that dnp clears the receptors or something like that..dunno if its true..

if u want to do dnp i should do it the last 2 weeks of your cycle...and when u stop the dnp u can go right into pct....some anabolicrebound and some fatloss

personally i think low dose is the only way to go...

[*Narkissos*]

i also heard a while ago that dnp clears the receptors or something like that..dunno if its true..

if u want to do dnp i should do it the last 2 weeks of your cycle...and when u stop the dnp u can go right into pct....some anabolicrebound and some fatloss

personally i think low dose is the only way to go...

Clears receptors?

all natural lol , just go the untested .

what?