Doctor Confidentiality?

**SkylineGTR** · 06-29-2006, 10:38 PM

I am going to a new family physician...I'm on my mom's insurance b/c I am still in college (5th yr.).....she wants me to get a full check up which I belive will include a blood test....I know my numbers are gonna be all over......and I'm sure hes gonna ask me if I'm on steroids ...do I tell him?..Also, is it the law to keep file information between me and him ONLY?

**SkylineGTR** · 06-29-2006, 10:39 PM

sorry....move this if it needs to be

**Ufa** · 06-29-2006, 10:39 PM

Postpone test until you have decent numbers.

**SkylineGTR** · 06-29-2006, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by Ufa

Postpone test until you have decent numbers.

why exactly?

**SnaX** · 06-29-2006, 11:19 PM

He cant tell anyone, because if he does youll be rich.

**Anabolios** · 06-30-2006, 12:00 AM

yeah tell him straight up also tell him you dont need a lecture but you appreciate his concern in advance lol

**SkylineGTR** · 06-30-2006, 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by Anabolios

yeah tell him straight up also tell him you dont need a lecture but you appreciate his concern in advance lol

lol...bro...im not exactly sure how to take your advice.....as I'm fairly new to the site lol....are you being sarcastic or serious

**TheDfromGC** · 06-30-2006, 12:34 AM

its always been thrown around insurance could be raised if u told them but seems like nobody ever knows for sure. to me it seems likely it could. compare it to auto insurance. if ur a bad driver and get alot of tickets, violations, etc... its riskier to insure u, therefore it will cost more. imo, seems like if doctor knows u are doing AS in which he knows it can adversely effect your health, he could list u as a higher risk then person who doesnt do them. maybe not directly tell insurance company but just classify u in a certain higher risk group. i think we need a doctor to confirm how it would work. like i said though this isnt sure, if i were u id tell him, u may get a lecture or something but at least he can now know certain health things to watch out for that he may not have considered before knowing ur running AS

**SkylineGTR** · 06-30-2006, 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by TheDfromGC

its always been thrown around insurance could be raised if u told them but seems like nobody ever knows for sure. to me it seems likely it could. compare it to auto insurance. if ur a bad driver and get alot of tickets, violations, etc... its riskier to insure u, therefore it will cost more. imo, seems like if doctor knows u are doing AS in which he knows it can adversely effect your health, he could list u as a higher risk then person who doesnt do them. maybe not directly tell insurance company but just classify u in a certain higher risk group. i think we need a doctor to confirm how it would work. like i said though this isnt sure, if i were u id tell him, u may get a lecture or something but at least he can now know certain health things to watch out for that he may not have considered before knowing ur running AS

ok.....so best thing for myself really is to tell him...hopefully he is an understandable doc.

**Maetenloch** · 06-30-2006, 02:17 AM

Originally Posted by SkylineGTR

ok.....so best thing for myself really is to tell him...hopefully he is an understandable doc.

No, deny, deny, deny. If he puts steroid use in your medical records, this can have major repercussions down the road for even getting health insurance. If you can't put off the test, just tell him that you've been partying a lot and eating a lot of fast food. Most likely the only tests that will abnormal will be your LDL and HDL cholesterol and possibly liver values if you're using orals.

**Anabolios** · 06-30-2006, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by Maetenloch

No, deny, deny, deny. If he puts steroid use in your medical records, this can have major repercussions down the road for even getting health insurance. If you can't put off the test, just tell him that you've been partying a lot and eating a lot of fast food. Most likely the only tests that will abnormal will be your LDL and HDL cholesterol and possibly liver values if you're using orals.

i dont know...i suppose you could go either way..if youre not honest with the doc how can they properly help you? i suppose if its just a checkup then its ok not to tell but still....maybe you should just say you dont want a checkup and youre fine...

**Rookie1974** · 06-30-2006, 09:58 AM

Maybe, I misread but you mom wants you to get a full check-up? for what? Sounds like she could be a bit overprotective if noting is wrong with you.

The doc cant tell your mom jack....your over 18. The doc can only release info if your an imminent danger to yourself or somone else, so even if you tell the doc he wont be able to discuss it with your mom unless you give full permission. Your under mom Ins. but the confidentality rules still apply.

Now if he asks or if their is a reason to tell him than ask him to "drop his pen" or deny it.

**SkylineGTR** · 06-30-2006, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by Rookie1974

Maybe, I misread but you mom wants you to get a full check-up? for what? Sounds like she could be a bit overprotective if noting is wrong with you.

The doc cant tell your mom jack....your over 18. The doc can only release info if your an imminent danger to yourself or somone else, so even if you tell the doc he wont be able to discuss it with your mom unless you give full permission. Your under mom Ins. but the confidentality rules still apply.

Now if he asks or if their is a reason to tell him than ask him to "drop his pen" or deny it.

the reason for the chek up is basically I haven't been to the doc in about 4 inyears.....she is a head nurse in the E.R. and feels you should get a check up once a year...I think I'll just put it off until I'm off cycle....should I even wait until I'm done with PCT??

**Ufa** · 06-30-2006, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by SkylineGTR

why exactly?

If you are concerned postpone until numbers are decent. You ask "why"

Cause you are stressing out stating that your numbers are all over the place.

**SkylineGTR** · 06-30-2006, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Ufa

If you are concerned postpone until numbers are decent. You ask "why"

Cause you are stressing out stating that your numbers are all over the place.

well, I am ON my cycle....so my numbers would be abnormal....I'm not stressing.....just wondering waht the best thing to do is....I haven't been to the doc. in over 4 years...let alone been on anything like GEAR thatll trhwo things off and isn't what a new doc. wants to see

**magic32** · 06-30-2006, 12:46 PM

Worry is one of man's greatest foes.

Here's a thought:

Check-ups are preventative actions, and thus don't include blood tests. So unless someone is specifically fishing for illicit substances, blood is only drawn as a responsive action when investigating a given condition or symptom.

You can always call the doctor's office and request check-up protocol. Then take the necessary measures, active or evasive.

M.

**SkylineGTR** · 06-30-2006, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by magic32

Worry is one of man's greatest foes.

Here's a thought:

Check-ups are preventative actions, and thus don't include blood tests. So unless someone is specifically fishing for illicit substances, blood is only drawn as a responsive action when investigating a given condition or symptom.

You can always call the doctor's office and request check-up protocol. Then take the necessary measures, active or evasive.

M.

good to know man......thanks

**almostgone** · 07-01-2006, 06:53 AM

..According to my family doc (who is also a friend of mine) HIPPA does allow certain information to be shared with the insurance company..This information is generally confined to the use of illicit drugs and mental health....

AG

**Oki-Des** · 07-01-2006, 07:05 AM

If you are on a cycle, do you think your change in physique is whats causing the concern? Also, if she is the nurse she may have access to your records wherever you go.

**SkylineGTR** · 07-01-2006, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by Oki-Des

If you are on a cycle, do you think your change in physique is whats causing the concern? Also, if she is the nurse she may have access to your records wherever you go.

no...My mom lives many states away from me...she just belives in gettin check ups to make sure everyting is goood...........she wont have access to anything....

**Kale** · 07-01-2006, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by SkylineGTR

well, I am ON my cycle....so my numbers would be abnormal....I'm not stressing.....just wondering waht the best thing to do is....I haven't been to the doc. in over 4 years...let alone been on anything like GEAR thatll trhwo things off and isn't what a new doc. wants to see

What numbers do you think will be abnormal ?. At your age he wont test your Test levels thats for sure, the only other possible elevation will be Cholesterol which again, he probably wont check because of your age and your liver values which may be eleveated but that can happen for all kinds of reasons.

**SkylineGTR** · 07-01-2006, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by Kale

What numbers do you think will be abnormal ?. At your age he wont test your Test levels thats for sure, the only other possible elevation will be Cholesterol which again, he probably wont check because of your age and your liver values which may be eleveated but that can happen for all kinds of reasons.

well, I'm not exactly sure, I been told to get blood tests during, and after cycles neways tho, but I was just wondering about the whole insurance regulations and for security purposes.....

**shortie** · 07-01-2006, 10:33 AM

If asked deny deny deny-Don't crack on this shit, last thing you really want to deal with is the "lecture". Trust me, been there done that, thought it would be all cool cause he's my doc, he's not allowed to say anything right? Wrong, he writes that shit in your file and every clerk in the place sees it, as well your insurance company may ask to see past medical records and not take you simply because he put that bullshit in your file-Do no tell him!!!! It will only fuk you up!

**SkylineGTR** · 07-01-2006, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by shortie

If asked deny deny deny-Don't crack on this shit, last thing you really want to deal with is the "lecture". Trust me, been there done that, thought it would be all cool cause he's my doc, he's not allowed to say anything right? Wrong, he writes that shit in your file and every clerk in the place sees it, as well your insurance company may ask to see past medical records and not take you simply because he put that bullshit in your file-Do no tell him!!!! It will only fuk you up!

haha damn man..i hate lectures.....does he scoled you or nething like that? what does he say?

**shortie** · 07-01-2006, 11:09 AM

He tried giving a dissertation about steroids and how evil they are and when I tried discussing it with him you know most of the liver horror stories he was talking about were strictly dealing with 17AA orals he had no clue what I was talking about, so I got pissed and left, told him no matter how long he spoke he wasn't educated enough on this to lecture me. Problem is I still have a file out the with "Anabolic Steroid Use " written on it-I'd do just about anything to make that thing disappear. If I had it to do over again I would have told him that I had used some "supplements" and that's it-don't buy into the confidentiality B.S.-Very hard to prove he broke it

**anaBROLIC** · 07-01-2006, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by Kale

What numbers do you think will be abnormal ?. At your age he wont test your Test levels thats for sure, the only other possible elevation will be Cholesterol which again, he probably wont check because of your age and your liver values which may be eleveated but that can happen for all kinds of reasons.

true.. there isnt much to worry about. dont tell him. they may come back and say they are concerned with your cholesterol. i have had that happen to me while having a checkup on cycle.

**SkylineGTR** · 07-01-2006, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by shortie

He tried giving a dissertation about steroids and how evil they are and when I tried discussing it with him you know most of the liver horror stories he was talking about were strictly dealing with 17AA orals he had no clue what I was talking about, so I got pissed and left, told him no matter how long he spoke he wasn't educated enough on this to lecture me. Problem is I still have a file out the with "Anabolic Steroid Use" written on it-I'd do just about anything to make that thing disappear. If I had it to do over again I would have told him that I had used some "supplements" and that's it-don't buy into the confidentiality B.S.-Very hard to prove he broke it

damn bro that sux...thanks for the info

**LatinoPR** · 07-01-2006, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by SkylineGTR

I am going to a new family physician...I'm on my mom's insurance b/c I am still in college (5th yr.).....she wants me to get a full check up which I belive will include a blood test....I know my numbers are gonna be all over......and I'm sure hes gonna ask me if I'm on steroids...do I tell him?..Also, is it the law to keep file information between me and him ONLY?

He can't never ever dicuss any patient info with nobody,just with another health profesional for medical resons...

LatinoPR...dermatology.

**shortie** · 07-01-2006, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by LatinoPR

He can't never ever dicuss any patient info with nobody,just with another health profesional for medical resons...

LatinoPR...dermatology.

Even with another medical professional he needs your permission as I understand it. The real problem is, how do you prove he broke your confidentiality? Unless you record the guy talking to someone else or find your medical records outside his keeping it it is very tough to prove that he broke confidentiality. You just have to hope he is an upstanding guy, or only tell him what won't hurt you

**thunderdan** · 07-01-2006, 02:44 PM

I would not say anything personally. If a Doc asks just say cell tec or over the counter pro-hormones. Its not worth the risk. I get blood work done regulary and my doctor orders it for me. I telll her it is for personal reasons and I want to make sure everything is ok. She does not ask any questions. I have done this at least 4 times now. Last time she said my blood levels were concerning and I told her I have been taking alot of over the counter pills and I will slow down. I know all about the confidentiality laws and our rights but it is still concerning to me. This is just how I handle my situation.

**Froggy** · 07-01-2006, 07:23 PM

There is no such thing as confidentiality...it is just a smoke & mirror act with lots of pretty words thrown in...Always CYA...

**almostgone** · 07-01-2006, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by almostgone

..According to my family doc (who is also a friend of mine) HIPPA does allow certain information to be shared with the insurance company..This information is generally confined to the use of illicit drugs and mental health....

AG

..the reason I say certain info is shared with the insurance companies is that they make payment based on services rendered...As the payee, they have the right to question why a particular service was performed....even under HIPPA regs..

AG

**davidboy** · 07-01-2006, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by thunderdan

I would not say anything personally. If a Doc asks just say cell tec or over the counter pro-hormones. Its not worth the risk. I get blood work done regulary and my doctor orders it for me. I telll her it is for personal reasons and I want to make sure everything is ok. She does not ask any questions. I have done this at least 4 times now. Last time she said my blood levels were concerning and I told her I have been taking alot of over the counter pills and I will slow down. I know all about the confidentiality laws and our rights but it is still concerning to me. This is just how I handle my situation.

I agree with thunderdan, just tell your doc that you use over the counter pro-hormanes like 1-AD( that's what I am going to tell my doc when i go for check up because my numbers will be off for sure from my before cycle test and tell your doc you eat lots junk food too

), I have taken and heard lots of stories that pro-hormones are harsh for liver.. let us know how it goes...good luck