Help me with my first ever cycle

[Lebronski]

I am 23yr old 205lbs 12%bf. Have been lifting for 4 years now. Have had a strict diet now for over a year. I am in college and dont have much $$$ to say the least. So im not tking back the stuff i got or getting anything more. I got 24 amps Test E from Iran, 400 anabols from britch dis. 5 mg, 100 stanol tabs from EUROCHEM 10mg. Yes i do no what PCT is and have NOLVADEX on hand And also some stuff i put on top of my feet to help keep estrogen levels down. Its actually made for men. My gaol is to gain sheer size and get cutt towards the end. Maybe something like 220 below 10% body fat. I have my workouts in check and am getting over 3400 cals(the right cals) right now over 6 meals daily. So with what ive got and my goals in mind what would you do????? thanks

[SMAN12b]

Test E Only !!!

[peump]

were you thinking?

week 1-10 500mg test e
week 1-4 anabol (?dose)
week 8-12 winstrol

i'm not familiar with a anti-e that you apply to your feet.
what is it called?

[peump]

Test E Only !!!

this is a good route. thanks SMAN.

[Bigmax]

first and foremost stop putting out lab names on the forum....also if you're strapped for cash...you're in luck we recommend test only on first cycles bro.

[peump]

And also some stuff i put on top of my feet to help keep estrogen levels down.

what is it

[Lebronski]

WHat about stacking the TEST E with the d-bol for like 5 6 weeks and then using the winnies towrds the end with the TEST E??? is this a bad idea??

[peump]

test only is recommended so that you can see how you react to it.
then in a later cycle
throw in another compound.
and see how it effects you.

if you jump into using three compounds then you will have no idea what is causing positive/negative side effects.

[SMAN12b]

WHat about stacking the TEST E with the d-bol for like 5 6 weeks and then using the winnies towrds the end with the TEST E??? is this a bad idea??

WELL, you are stating it is your first ever cycle. If that is the case, then you are BEST to do just a single ester test ONLY which you happen to have. You didn't mention the concentration of it though.
If you stack things on your first cycle, you will not LEARN how yoru body reacts to each compound! YES you can do the proposed cycle. BUT it is NOT optimal at your stage. The idea here is to make the most with the least. You are also stating money is an issue, so I doubt that you will be able to take in the proper amount of quality macros 6-7 times a day
What if you have a gyno reaction? Or bloating? Are you not willing to make sure you have the proper anchillaries on hand to ensure your safety and health?

Therefore, you are safest and will gain greatly IF and only IF your diet is in line and training is in line for the goals you have!! So for the first cycle, just do the Test E @ 500mgs/week shot every 3.5 days

PCT starts 14 days after last test E shot

[IBdmfkr]

Good friend just finished 12wks Test Enanthate at 250mg/wk and gained 16-18lbs mostly LBM, not to mention we made a lot of changes to his diet/training that were necessary. Point is, more isn't always better.
His cycle:
1-12 TestE 250mg/wk
1-12 L-dex .5mg/day
14-19 Clomid/nolva
wk 20 BloodWork.

Also be sure to have Bloodwork done before starting to see what YOUR normal ranges are.. don't forget to ask them to check Free/total Testosterone levels.

[one8nine]

were you thinking?

week 1-10 500mg test e
week 1-4 anabol (?dose)
week 8-12 winstrol

i'm not familiar with a anti-e that you apply to your feet.
what is it called?

this is very similar to what i was going to say

week 1-12 500mg test e
week 1-4 anabol
week 10-14 winstrol
week 15 pct




i hope i dont get flamed for this but i pretty much expect it so go for it guys

that looks great for what you have i dont think you always need to do a single ester your first cycle, i have never done a single substance in a cycle and i dont regret it, each of my 3 cycles have been 2 or 3 things stacked

but above all if you wan gains at your size its my opinion that you need more calories.

i dont know how acurate it is but my football coach in highschool way back used to talk about someone being 220 and still young 15-25 needs to be eating upwards of 6 7 and 8 thousand calories per day to grow anymore

[IBdmfkr]

Not true.. Football coaches in highschool are usually the last ppl you want to listen to. There's a big difference between fat and LBM gained.

btw, no need for that many compounds on a first cycle.. no flame just disagree.

[Lebronski]

What would be the big disadvantage of front loading the d-bol for the first 4-5 weeks and then just ending on the TEST E alone. From what ive read two orals on my first cycle and especially winnies. i think il wait to use those later. Unless im completely wrong. Also il never be putting 6-8 thousand calories in my diet. I havnt worked this hard to get below 10% body fat didnt realize i was actually 9% body fat. I was thinking of just increasing the same types of foods im eating maybe getting up to 4500 but nowhere near 7-8 thousand calories. Also do most of you take Nolavdex while on the cycle? or just wait to see if its needed thanks guys.

[Bigmax]

this is very similar to what i was going to say

week 1-12 500mg test e
week 1-4 anabol
week 10-14 winstrol
week 15 pct




i hope i dont get flamed for this but i pretty much expect it so go for it guys

that looks great for what you have i dont think you always need to do a single ester your first cycle, i have never done a single substance in a cycle and i dont regret it, each of my 3 cycles have been 2 or 3 things stacked

but above all if you wan gains at your size its my opinion that you need more calories.

i dont know how acurate it is but my football coach in highschool way back used to talk about someone being 220 and still young 15-25 needs to be eating upwards of 6 7 and 8 thousand calories per day to grow anymore

Thats good for you bro...but this thread is not about you!!...you prob didnt ask for advise on your first cycle thats why you did what you did.This guy did so we are giving it to him and telling him how he should do it.Oh and your football coach mustve had a ton of FAT players.

[Bigmax]

What would be the big disadvantage of front loading the d-bol for the first 4-5 weeks and then just ending on the TEST E alone. From what ive read two orals on my first cycle and especially winnies. i think il wait to use those later. Unless im completely wrong. Also il never be putting 6-8 thousand calories in my diet. I havnt worked this hard to get below 10% body fat didnt realize i was actually 9% body fat. I was thinking of just increasing the same types of foods im eating maybe getting up to 4500 but nowhere near 7-8 thousand calories. Also do most of you take Nolavdex while on the cycle? or just wait to see if its needed thanks guys.

Increasing the same GOOD foods are the right idea bro....I dont know about a disdvantage frontloading with the dbol...i know it will be mostly water that will be put on....But if you just have to do it go ahead...not more than 4 weeks bro....500mgs on the test for 12 weeks...good luck.

[Lebronski]

ok here my proposed cycle
Wk1-4 250mg 2x wk every 3.5 days, 35-40mg d-bol ed, ????nolvadex????
wk4-12 250mg 2x wk every 3.5 days, Nolvadex???
Wk14 Start clomid therapy
I will not be using the winnies from what i gather two orals is a bad idea. Speacially for first cycle. Let me know what you think of this proposed cycle and what about Nolvadex?? Take daily or only if needed. I dont want to bloat up too much. Thanks for the help guys.

[Bigmax]

Ok...I like it go for it.....oh the nolva start at 20 mgs and see from there.

[Lebronski]

Big max thanks for your help. Il keep you guys posted on my results and even post a before and after photo(no face) I begin it on Monday ive got butterflies in my stomache like a kid in a candy store. Should i worry about keeping my lean look and doing cardio still 3 days a week or just go big and cutt towards end?? Thanks again bro

[Bigmax]

No do your cardio....keep eating alot of good food.The idea is to put muscle oneverything is bullsh*t(fat)

[cfiler]

ok here my proposed cycle
Wk1-4 250mg 2x wk every 3.5 days, 35-40mg d-bol ed, ????nolvadex????
wk4-12 250mg 2x wk every 3.5 days, Nolvadex???
Wk14 Start clomid therapy
I will not be using the winnies from what i gather two orals is a bad idea. Speacially for first cycle. Let me know what you think of this proposed cycle and what about Nolvadex?? Take daily or only if needed. I dont want to bloat up too much. Thanks for the help guys.

Run just the test for weeks 1-10. Two injects weekly of 250mgs of test.

Keep nolva on hand incase of estrogen related sides.

Follow with proper PCT.

No need to over do it, it is your first cycle, you don't need to go crazy or overboard.