still trying to decide...

[crash187ct]

on what to run. this will be my 4th cycle. i've ran test and deca 2 times, and i guess i'm looking for something new. my plans were test/masteron/winny. because i was thinking about cutting. but to be honest with you...i'd rather bulk up a bit more. and the more i read on masteron...its greatest benefit is helping with cutting (or helping block estrogen...but thats another story). from ya'lls personal experience, is there anything that can compare to deca (for mass)...if there is....would you have any ideas you could throw my way? i'm still in the off season...still have 3 more weeks. and its now that i'm planning it out.

any thoughts on including anadrol for the first 4 weeks?

[Prada]

Eq and Tren

[Anabolios]

Eq and Tren

eq for vascularity and hunger..and tren for...well we know what happens when you run t ren


you turn into godzilla and stomp all over japan

[Bigmax]

you know what I always say bro???test rules!!!!....you can go ahead and do the test and deca or the eq and kick start with ana for 4 weeks.Leaning out or bulking would based more on your diet than the AAS.

[shortie]

Test/EQ with a Tbol start and a low dose winny(for SHBG)finish.

[crash187ct]

after reading your comments guys, and digging into the profile on EQ...i'm going after it. after i learn more though...would you need to run test at a higher level than the EQ, just as you would with deca?

[shortie]

after reading your comments guys, and digging into the profile on EQ...i'm going after it. after i learn more though...would you need to run test at a higher level than the EQ, just as you would with deca?

With EQ there is no hard and fast rule about this IMO, but I have always and will continue to believe the cornerstone of a good cycle is Test so it always get the larger portion of my cycle. What doses have you run Test at in the past?

[guest589745]

after reading your comments guys, and digging into the profile on EQ...i'm going after it. after i learn more though...would you need to run test at a higher level than the EQ, just as you would with deca?

You dont HAVE to have the deca or eq higher than the test. Its a common misunderstading.

[crash187ct]

also...since both tbol and winstrol (oral) are 17aa. i know i won't be taking them at the same time, but would it be too much in regards to hepatoxy?

[Hellmaskbanned]

also...since both tbol and winstrol (oral) are 17aa. i know i won't be taking them at the same time, but would it be too much in regards to hepatoxy?

I've been on Tbol+ var now winstrol since march and I'm still here.

[Boyindasouth]

I've been on Tbol+ var now winstrol since march and I'm still here.

DAMN! bro, how is that goin?? how much did u gain strength and weight wise??

[Bigmax]

yes you always want to run the test higher than any other comound you are using.

[1-Cent]

Test & Tren, doesn't matter what your goals are you could cut or bulk if you wanted, leaves your options open. Besides, Deca sucks.

[crash187ct]

^^500mgs/week test e^^

so...finalizing my outlook, would it be an overkill stack of:

test e 700mg/week
EQ 600mgs/week
tren ????/week


while running Lertrozole .25-.5mgs/day ....if i'm understanding this correctly i'll need nolva too, because of the aromatization in both the test and tren


clomid only for pct?

[shortie]

while running Lertrozole .25-.5mgs/day ....if i'm understanding this correctly i'll need nolva too, because of the aromatization in both the test and tren


clomid only for pct?

Negative on the NOLVA, you need to avoid it if you use tren. Personally I think tren kicks ass, but I kind of recommend trying other milder AAS first-Tren is the one AAS the I know of that has made a lot of guys quit mid cycle due to sides, and if what you have done up to date is test and deca combos no need to up the ante that much IMO. For any Test based cycle you should run an AI, I am no fan of letro but it does work, I think both ldex and Aromasin are better choices. PCT, check out Pheedno's PCT and Anthony Robert's PCT in the PCT forum, a multi pronged approach works best and clomid can be totally avoided for those of us who cannot stand the stuff(ME!).

[D-Money]

I would have to go with tren. My vote is save your money on the masteron, winny, eq, and try some trenbolone stacked with a moderate amount of test. I think you'll be happy with your results, you'll be bigger, leaner and then you can consentrate on that cutting cycle. Just my 2cents.

[shortie]

I would go like this: Test E 700-750/wk
EQ 600 mg/WK
Tbol 50 MG /wk(building up to maybe 70-80 depending on how you tolerate sides).
Winny 50mg ed from 6 wks prior all the way to PCT-
This is a kick ass cycle bro-trie and tested

[Standard01]

The Tren will partially negate the EQ. I'd stick with one or the other. Preferably Tren, especially if you're into strength.

[Standard01]

Oh, and on the Anadrol subject, some people love it some people hate it. Depends how you respond, but if you want to blow up definitely throw it in their. I'd recommend Test/Tren/Drol, pretty hardcore cycle, but as long as you keep the dosages reasonable you should be good. Maybe you should roll with a 8 weeker, Test prop,Tren ace, Anadrol at 75/75/75 ED.

[guest589745]

I would choose tren/prop if I was you.

50mg tren ed
100mg prop ed maybe 75

[crash187ct]

guys i appriciate all your input. after glueing myself to the profile section on these compounds...i'm excited. i've lived in a world with only dbol/deca/test.

so here's the game plan:

Test E 750mg/wk --15 weeks?
EQ 600mg/wk ----14 weeks?
Tbol 50mg/wk ----first 6 weeks?
Winny 50mg/ed ----last 6 weeks till pct

since i'm not doing tren this go around, nolva throughout @ 10mg/day

look good?

[guest589745]

Thistle or liv52 I suppose, if ya want.....??

[crash187ct]

yeah i always run milk thistle with with orals....i just didn't know if it was considered overkill


but other than that....does it look ok?

[guest589745]

Yea unles I missed somthing I think its fine.

[Hellmaskbanned]

What dosages are you going to run with tbol and winstrol?

If its your first run with tbol I would go 60mgs. Maybe first week do 40mgs to get the body use to it , because it does make you feel like shit at the begining atleast for me and a bunch of other ppl.

Winstrol Im running at 60mgs and its ok.

[crash187ct]

thanks guys....i really appriciate it

Tbol 50mg/wk ----first 6 weeks?
Winny 50mg/ed ----last 6 weeks till pct

winstrol 50mg tab....tbol...50mg and build up if possible

[IXISiDiuSIXI]

Bro I wouldn't run winstrol for 6 weeks. It's gonna dry your joints out. I'd run it for more like 3-4 weeks 50mg ed. Here's a cycle to consider,


wk 1-15 test e @ 750mg/wk
wk 1-12 equipoise @ 600mg/wk
wk 11-15 winstrol @ 50mg ed
wk 1-8 tren @ 75mg ed

[Liftnainez]

Bro I wouldn't run winstrol for 6 weeks. It's gonna dry your joints out. I'd run it for more like 3-4 weeks 50mg ed. Here's a cycle to consider,


wk 1-15 test e @ 750mg/wk
wk 1-12 equipoise @ 600mg/wk
wk 11-15 winstrol @ 50mg ed
wk 1-8 tren @ 75mg ed

4 weeks, but not 6... not understanding this concept

[guest589745]

4 weeks, but not 6... not understanding this concept

yea wtf? Hes gonna have to be the judge of whether or not its effecting his joints and go from there.

[Liftnainez]

he also said he will not be running tren so that cycle would not suit him