Any Help

**choose68** · 07-05-2006, 12:51 PM

ok im 19 and 5'10" 135pounds and my friend doesnt want his deca anymore and my other friend will give me dbol for cheap so im set on taking them but whats some tips or how how much should i be taking in each week or day? ANY help at all would be much appreciated

**2.minutes** · 07-05-2006, 12:58 PM

dont think of using AAS at 19, its too early

**choose68** · 07-05-2006, 01:06 PM

alot of people when i was in high school have taken alot more than that from sophomore year to senior year with no problems and my friends younger or older have pretty much taken alot...thank you for the advice but im definatly gonna take it

**magic32** · 07-05-2006, 01:06 PM

Don't use them, run some searches on teens and aas.
But with all those free products, maybe you should open shop.

M.

**choose68** · 07-05-2006, 01:09 PM

the deca is called deca 300 from quality vet and the dbol is 25mg pills..anyone know how much someone my size should be taking and what size needle to use/where to inject it

**2.minutes** · 07-05-2006, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by choose68

alot of people when i was in high school have taken alot more than that from sophomore year to senior year with no problems and my friends younger or older have pretty much taken alot...thank you for the advice but im definatly gonna take it

so why do u ask for advise when u dont wanna accept it??

**choose68** · 07-05-2006, 01:12 PM

i didnt mean to offend you i should have said in the post im definatly taking it...if you can help me with the doses and how to take it i would appreciate it

**nygsxr1000** · 07-05-2006, 01:14 PM

just so u know...........most people on here wont tell u how to do it if they dont feel you are ready to use it.............first of all you should do your research and then ask questions u are unsure of.........second if you dont use a test with deca u risk having a limp d@#ck........third you need to do homework on pct(post cycle therapy ) for when you are done with your cycle.....last but not least you should post stats,diet,training for people to give you correct advise

and by the way if you are 135lbs you should def look into the diet forums b/c that is pretty thin for 19 yrs old

**Ufa** · 07-05-2006, 01:18 PM

Seriously at 135 lbs you have to start eating better. You do aas with out proper diet and with your young age you are looking for disaster. Put on
20 or 30 lbs of muscle and rethink your situation in a couple of years.

**choose68** · 07-05-2006, 01:20 PM

yeah its thin but i box well used to box and had to keep weight now im lookin to get bigger i guess ill ask locals

**Ufa** · 07-05-2006, 01:22 PM

aas are not what all their cracked up to be. you will be glad you waited. At 19 you got so much test in you system that you don't need any more. Good luck with you decision.

**choose68** · 07-05-2006, 01:26 PM

yeah thanks guys

**Alpha-Male** · 07-05-2006, 01:44 PM

no soap box speech, cuz when i was your age, i did what i wanted no matter what anyone else said, but didn't have anyone else who knew shit from shit so i'll help a bit...

you'll get plenty of differing opinions on everything, so posting here first, without taking time to read over a few other areas is not such a good idea IMO...hit the profile section, and some of the educational threads, familiarize yourself with what ster...oops...i mean, what these supplements are and how they act in your body...then read over the profile secion here for each of the compounds you're considering, and then read over all the rest, to figure out what best fits your needs and goals...after you do this, you will likely not even need to post here for some time...that's how the experts and vets here have pieced together this board...the knowledge is available to you, even before you reach this forum.

now, i lied, i did get up on a soapbox, damnit, however, IMO, for a first time, just try a couple CCs a week of some test, get your ancillaries and pct before you start, otherwise, Murphy's frikin Law (at least for me at that age), you'll run out of money when it's time to start taking them. from that point, head over to the really important forums here...the diet and training forums...spend 80% of your time in there, and the other 20% in here...

alpha

**Bigmax** · 07-05-2006, 01:47 PM

At 19 you wont listen to anyone ....but at the same time no one here is doing you any favors by telling how to do it....that would be contributing to what we feel is wrong.....sorry bro.Good luck.

**choose68** · 07-05-2006, 01:49 PM

ill definatly be looking around the forums thank you alpha

**choose68** · 07-05-2006, 01:50 PM

yeah i understand bigmax

**Smart@$$** · 07-05-2006, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by choose68

yeah its thin but i box well used to box and had to keep weight now im lookin to get bigger i guess ill ask locals

These guys are right. You need to eat big to get big. Training has to be in line first as well. Are you getting decent rest? These things are important.

If you must know, I would do two cc's per week of that deca 300, which translates into 600mg per week. I would take 25mg dianabol prior to working out since you cant split it up. If it is a tablet divide at least and take have upon waking and other half before workout or in evening. Read and learn, alot of valuable information already given to you based on experience and more in the forums.

**Smart@$$** · 07-05-2006, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Bigmax

At 19 you wont listen to anyone ....but at the same time no one here is doing you any favors by telling how to do it....that would be contributing to what we feel is wrong.....sorry bro.Good luck.

I do not agree with the bold.

I would rather the guy listen to us rather than a guy telling him to inject more or take superflious amounts that would lead to challenges. You heard him he is going to do it anyway, lets try and help him the best we can.

**Alpha-Male** · 07-05-2006, 02:01 PM

exactly SA, i understand the concern, we don't want others to make the same "mistakes" we did, but you're right, we didn't have this wealth of information at our disposals back then, and i was way, WAY off on my first few cycles...talking no PCT for like three or four years...big mess...

alpha

**bd50** · 07-05-2006, 02:29 PM

hey choose68,, taking these "supps" is not as easy as it may seem to you and/or your buddies.. based on the questions you are asking here, it's obvious that you have ALOT more to learn and research before you take anything bro.

just keep reading around here in the educational forums as mentioned above, and within maybe a few months of reading on the subject, you will at least have much better knowledge of what you need to do, IF you decide to start at your age, and not wait a couple years.

bd50

**need2bhuge** · 07-05-2006, 02:35 PM

If you are dead set on doing it anyway then we might as well try to help you. If we don't help then you risk hurting yourself and in turn contribute to the media's bad view of aas!

So with that being said I too took just deca for my first cycle. I know now that it was not the best thing to do, but you live and learn. This site will help you learn vast amounts of knowledge...just read, read and read. IF YOU ARE DEAD SET on running deca only then I would do 1 1/2cc - 2cc/week split into two dosages.

Make sure you have a pct plan ready with all the neccesities. If you do not you may wither away and the gains you made will disappear. Also, without pct your hormones will take forever to catch up to natural levels! So before you start get the pct straight.

You have to eat to grow! I was one of those that feel into the trap that the drugs were 2/3 of the battle....but that is so not the case. You need to eat and eat big! Diet is like 80% of the battle to get big or ripped. If you eat like shit, you will look like shit. If you eat like a bird then you will look like a bird!! Ramp up the protein and carbs. Check the diet forumn and click the bulking sticy!

IMHO I would train hard WITH A PARTNER for a few years and see the wonders in transformation that you will make naturally with a little push from a partner. But no one but yourself can make this decision for you. Make sure you read up first bro!

**hippie1171** · 07-05-2006, 03:29 PM

You need to research it up a bit on the forum. Do some searches and check the properties/characteristics of the substances themselves. If you are going to inject yourself with something, you should darn know what its going to do to you. My advice if you are set on taking AAS, research, post a cycle including stats, work out routine, diet, and PCT, then ask for advice. We need something to work with. Help us to help you.

**choose68** · 07-05-2006, 04:17 PM

ill definatly work on all of this information im glad you guys are helping me out

**beuleux** · 07-05-2006, 07:14 PM

ask ur buddies if they will be my friends too... i could do with some deca and dbol lol

**rock75** · 07-05-2006, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by choose68

ok im 19 and 5'10" 135pounds and my friend doesnt want his deca anymore and my other friend will give me dbol for cheap so im set on taking them but whats some tips or how how much should i be taking in each week or day? ANY help at all would be much appreciated

19 - 5'10 135lbs - ok, so you just started another growth spurt, your natural height will probably be somewhere around 6'1 - 6'3 and anywhere from 200-215lbs...males growth typically stops between 24-26 at 19 you run the risk of shutting your growth plates and you will stay 5'10.

IMHO - taking any type of gear now would be a waste of perfectly good gear - you need to get your training on point, your diet on point - vits and other supps before your entertain AS.

**Alpha-Male** · 07-06-2006, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by rock75

males growth typically stops between 24-26 at 19 you run the risk of shutting your growth plates and you will stay 5'10.
.

first i'll start by correcting this gross misinformation:

NORMAL GROWTH

Let's discuss the process of normal growth before we talk about its variations and abnormalities. While we all start out about the same size at birth, some of us end up tall and some end up short. Most of us wind up with about the same build as our parents - the characteristics a child inherits will reflect those of the parents.

A baby is about 20 inches long at birth (give or take an inch) and will grow another 10 inches over the first year to reach about 30 inches by 1 year of age. During the second year of life, growth is half this fast, so at 2 years of age, the child will be about 35 inches tall. From 2 years until about 12 years of age, the child will grow at a steady rate of 2 to 2-1/2 inches a year. The growth spurt that goes along with adolescence begins at about age 11 in girls and 13 in boys. This pubertal growth spurt usually lasts 2 years and is accompanied by sexual development. Growth ceases between 16 and 18 years of age, when the growing ends of the bones fuse. A person's adult height is determined by many factors, including the heights of his or her parents, the age at which puberty begins and the length and vigor of the pubertal growth spurt. An x-ray of the hand or knee allows the doctor to assess the maturity of the bones (bone age) and estimate how much growth potential remains.

here's a link to the entire article/biblio.:

http://www.hgfound.org/patterns.html

however, it is completely true that taking steroids before this time can pre-maturely seal the growth plates...i don't think i have to post anything to back that up...

sooooooo, unfortunately, i started my first cycle at 17, so i might have been 6'3" or 6'4"

, but at age 19 or 20, this is simply not an issue...

alpha

**IRONWIL** · 07-06-2006, 11:07 AM

This Is A Prime Candidate Of Someone Who Should Not Start Aas.

1. Too Young
2. Probably Has Not Been Training Long Enough Just Based On His Weight
3. Has No Knowledge Of Aas At All

Keep Going Natty Brother, You Got A Long Way To Go...

**rock75** · 07-06-2006, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by Alpha-Male

first i'll start by correcting this gross misinformation:

NORMAL GROWTH

Let's discuss the process of normal growth before we talk about its variations and abnormalities. While we all start out about the same size at birth, some of us end up tall and some end up short. Most of us wind up with about the same build as our parents - the characteristics a child inherits will reflect those of the parents.

A baby is about 20 inches long at birth (give or take an inch) and will grow another 10 inches over the first year to reach about 30 inches by 1 year of age. During the second year of life, growth is half this fast, so at 2 years of age, the child will be about 35 inches tall. From 2 years until about 12 years of age, the child will grow at a steady rate of 2 to 2-1/2 inches a year. The growth spurt that goes along with adolescence begins at about age 11 in girls and 13 in boys. This pubertal growth spurt usually lasts 2 years and is accompanied by sexual development. Growth ceases between 16 and 18 years of age, when the growing ends of the bones fuse. A person's adult height is determined by many factors, including the heights of his or her parents, the age at which puberty begins and the length and vigor of the pubertal growth spurt. An x-ray of the hand or knee allows the doctor to assess the maturity of the bones (bone age) and estimate how much growth potential remains.

here's a link to the entire article/biblio.:

http://www.hgfound.org/patterns.html

however, it is completely true that taking steroids before this time can pre-maturely seal the growth plates...i don't think i have to post anything to back that up...

sooooooo, unfortunately, i started my first cycle at 17, so i might have been 6'3" or 6'4"

, but at age 19 or 20, this is simply not an issue...

alpha

ok, so then I guess I'm the weird one cause I grew to be 6'1" - my mother is 5'5" and my father is 5'9". AND I grew from 5'11" to 6'1" at the ages of 23 to 24. Which at that time my doc said was very normal as males tend to cease all growth by the time they reach 26. That is why the optimal age for any male to start using gear is between 24-26 after your body has FULLY developed. I will see if there is an article I can cut and paste, cause we all know everything we find on the internet is 100% truth

**Alpha-Male** · 07-06-2006, 12:50 PM

i agree with you totally, especially like reading some of the idiotic posts on here....however, please do take the time to research it, and post anything you find to the contrary, you know, cuz we all know that all doctors are ALWAYS right...especially the ones that preach about how so very VERY bad it is to do steroids ....oooooooooo

**Alpha-Male** · 07-06-2006, 12:51 PM

oh, and yes, i suppose you may be the weird one...since that article was speaking in terms of "normal" growth of "normal" males...

**rock75** · 07-06-2006, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Alpha-Male

oh, and yes, i suppose you may be the weird one...since that article was speaking in terms of "normal" growth of "normal" males...

**Alpha-Male** · 07-06-2006, 02:01 PM

ouch

sorry, did i forget to put a "J/K" in there? better late than never

J/K

**SwoleCat** · 07-06-2006, 02:51 PM

If you aren't going to listen to the solid advice here, then go ask someone "LOCAL" who will tell you what you want to hear.

Have fun f*cking yourself up, because you definitely are.

135 lbs? Pffft............If you were a leprechaun that would be fine.

~SC~