Noobie 1st cycle check

**charlie_123** · 07-08-2006, 09:54 AM

Hi everyone its been a while since i posted up, but i read up well enough..
Im 26/ 72kg /eating good

Well im gonna start the following cycles. I just want to do them 2 to break through my current weight as i have been in the gym past 3 years with slight mass increase, muscle definition, and allot of strength increase. So for the sake of gaining and keeping say another 10kgs, will this be okay ?

Cycle 1
1-10 Enanthate 500mg/wk
10mg Nolvadex every day if gyno appears
Starting clomid 2 weeks after last enan injection

Cycle 2
1-4 D-bol 25 mg every day
1-10 Enan 500mg/wk
10mg Nolvadex ..
Starting clomid 2 weeks after last enan injection

thanks charles

**Booz** · 07-08-2006, 09:57 AM

two good novice cycles there mate,how long time off are vyou planning on havin in between the cycles?

**one8nine** · 07-08-2006, 10:02 AM

if you have a 10 weeks cycle with 2 weeks before pct then 4 weeks for pct (assuming you are doing 4 weeks) you need 16 weeks off from your first cycle before you start number 2

**Ripp3D** · 07-08-2006, 10:06 AM

The amount of time you are on your cycle is the same amount of time you need to be off your cycle. So if you take a 12 week cycle you need at least take 12 weeks off before you start a new one.

**charlie_123** · 07-08-2006, 10:09 AM

Thanks,
Yeh wait 2 weeks before doing pct, then 3 weeks for pct before starting with the second. So 5 weeks after my last injection, am i right ?

**charlie_123** · 07-08-2006, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by Ripp3D

The amount of time you are on your cycle is the same amount of time you need to be off your cycle. So if you take a 12 week cycle you need at least take 12 weeks off before you start a new one.

Ok, ill check that up cheers mate

**SMAN12b** · 07-08-2006, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by one8nine

if you have a 10 weeks cycle with 2 weeks before pct then 4 weeks for pct (assuming you are doing 4 weeks) you need 16 weeks off from your first cycle before you start number 2

Charile, THIS is your answer to how long your should wait in between!!!

**marcus300** · 07-08-2006, 10:39 AM

Looks fine, just have enough time off cycle inbetween cycles and concentrate on diet.

**Alpha-Male** · 07-08-2006, 10:41 AM

first cycle looks good...see how things go on that one, then worry about the next (even though that looks good too

)...also, just for kickers, go kick it around the diet forum, maybe read the stickies, see how they compare to your current plan, and then post it up, get some feedback there...i'm all for the sauce, but a killer diet will give you so much more out of your cycles than you can imagine...

good luck bro, keep us posted...

**cfiler** · 07-08-2006, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by charlie_123

Thanks,
Yeh wait 2 weeks before doing pct, then 3 weeks for pct before starting with the second. So 5 weeks after my last injection, am i right ?

No, that's not long enough for time off. Time on + PCT = to minimum time off. Your PCT needs to be as minimum of three weeks. Your body may need longer to recover. It may need four weeks or more of PCT. But if you were staying with the three weeks of PCT, then your minimum time off is 15 weeks before you can start your next cycle.

**cfiler** · 07-08-2006, 11:01 AM

Also you should include nolva into your PCT, and maybe other supps aswell.

**Alpha-Male** · 07-08-2006, 11:05 AM

well, not long ago, people preached time on, then pct, then take the amount of time you on, off...now they're saying time on + pct, etc, etc...everybody's different, however these ARE good guidelines to follow, but if you wanna be spot on, and have the time and money, have a blood test done...it's really the best/most accurate way...

**InsaneInTheMembrane** · 07-08-2006, 12:05 PM

I agree with cfiler

you should not start with the 2nd cycle immediately after the PCT of the first..you need to take at least 12 wks off everything completely to normalize your system

furthermore, make your proposed Cycle 2 your first...trust me, you wont regret it...u should make your first ever cycle kick ass because it'll be the most mass you'll probably ever gain on any cycle...then you can make your second cycle a cutter with new stuff like EQ/Prop/Var,,,it'll broaden your gear experience..jusy my .02

cheers

***G-1000*** · 07-08-2006, 12:24 PM

Hey bro i like cycle 2 better and i will tell you why. You are only doing the test for 10 weeks and the is a short times. So haveing the d-bol to jump start will give you better gains in the short cycle.

The only other thing i will say is. That you can keep running the nolv right throw pct. Just up the dose to 40mg day in pct. That will help get you back up quicker.

**briansauras** · 07-08-2006, 12:27 PM

i would run letro ED @ 0.25mg-0.5mg to prevent gyno and save the nolva for pct.

**Alpha-Male** · 07-08-2006, 12:36 PM

yeah, i missed the 10 week thing, so just stick with the enanthate , but consider adding another couple weeks...

no letro needed here IMO, if i were to recommend a better (IMO) substitute, it would be proviron , start at 25mg/day, assess later (keep nolva just in case)...don't know why people don't seem to like proviron as much as i do

***G-1000*** · 07-08-2006, 12:41 PM

Letro is way to sr]trong for that cycle no need at all. If you see sighns of gyno the run some l-dex not letro. Not everone is prone to gyno.

**Booz** · 07-08-2006, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Alpha-Male

well, not long ago, people preached time on, then pct, then take the amount of time you on, off...now they're saying time on + pct, etc, etc...everybody's different, however these ARE good guidelines to follow, but if you wanna be spot on, and have the time and money, have a blood test done...it's really the best/most accurate way...

agreed time on+pct=time off,unless you get your bloods done earlier and they come back fine then and only then would you consider goin back on earlier........................