Cycle Q: TestE/Mast/Dbol/Winny/Clen/T3

[1zach4]

Ok well i've been doing a ton of research and I believe I pretty much have my entire cycle from start to end of PCT planned out. Just want to throw it up here to see if it looks good or not.

Test E - 500mg/week (Weeks 1-12)
Dbol - 50mg/ED (Weeks 1-4)
Mastabol Depot - 125mg/EOD (Weeks 1-12)
Letrozole - .25-.5mg/ED (Weeks 1-12)
Winstrol - 50mg/ED (Weeks 8-14)

PCT will be started 24hours after last dosage of Winny and will look like this:

Nolvadex - 20mg/ED (Weeks 1-6) will increase dosage if necessary, but I doubt it will be due to the usage of Letro throughout the cycle.

HCG - 500IU/ED (Weeks 1-3)

Aromasin - 20-25mg/ED (Weeks 1-5)

Vitamin E - 1000IU/ED (Weeks 1-3)

Most of the cycle will consist of a clean bulk, but as you can see i'm trying to keep water retention to a minimum and keep as much of my lean muscle gains as I can.

I am currently running a cycle of Superdrol with all necessary support and will be finishing up with a PCT of Nolvadex at 40/40/20/20 and then i'll be taking a break before starting this cycle.

Let me know what you think

[NEW_IN_THE_GAME]

damn, is this your first cycle? i hope not.

[1zach4]

I have run prohormones...which are technically a steroid , but no full cycles to this date.

[Bigmax]

Age,weight and training experience please?????????????

[1zach4]

21yrs old, up to 198lbs from 175lbs about a year ago.

Training since I was 15, but just recently saw my largest gains in the past year.

[Liftnainez]

I like the cycle.. if your ready is all up 2 you though.. the cycle though looks like it should be sweet!! good luck bro

[bigrose]

Ok well i've been doing a ton of research and I believe I pretty much have my entire cycle from start to end of PCT planned out. Just want to throw it up here to see if it looks good or not.

Test E - 500mg/week (Weeks 1-12)
Dbol - 50mg/ED (Weeks 1-4)
Mastabol Depot - 125mg/EOD (Weeks 1-12)
Letrozole - .25-.5mg/ED (Weeks 1-12)
Winstrol - 50mg/ED (Weeks 8-14)
Clenbuterol - Work up to 120mcg/ED (Weeks 8,10,12,14)
T3 - Pyramid from 50mcg up to 125mcg and down to 25mcg (Weeks 8-15)

PCT will be started 24hours after last dosage of Winny and will look like this:

Nolvadex - 20mg/ED (Weeks 1-6) will increase dosage if necessary, but I doubt it will be due to the usage of Letro throughout the cycle.

HCG - 500IU/ED (Weeks 1-3)

Aromasin - 20-25mg/ED (Weeks 1-5)

Vitamin E - 1000IU/ED (Weeks 1-3)

Most of the cycle will consist of a clean bulk, but as you can see i'm trying to keep water retention to a minimum and keep as much of my lean muscle gains as I can.

I am currently running a cycle of Superdrol with all necessary support and will be finishing up with a PCT of Nolvadex at 40/40/20/20 and then i'll be taking a break before starting this cycle.

Let me know what you think

if this is your first AAS cycle, you might not need such high doses of dbol and winny. try less (25mg each) and see what happens. you can always kick the doses up. prohormones and gear are totally different monsters. make sure you are ready.

[Liftnainez]

if this is your first AAS cycle, you might not need such high doses of dbol and winny. try less (25mg each) and see what happens. you can always kick the doses up. prohormones and gear are totally different monsters. make sure you are ready.

your advising him to take 25mg of winny per day? thats to low of a dosage

[bigrose]

In my experience, 25mgs of winny have been fine. i just take it all at one time before i lift. im just saying to start low and work up. i dont know what dose winny he has, 2mg tabs, 5mg tabs, 10mg caps or some UGL higher dose product, so i was just throwing out a number that is normal to me. my winny is UGL 25mg tabs and one is all i need.

[Liftnainez]

I guess to each his own.. I know most people will not get great gains off 25mg, ESPECIALLY taking winny orally.. you arent even getting 25mg, your getting less..

[1zach4]

I am taking winny orally, and have read that 50mg is an excellent dosage to start at, and most times stay at.

Dbol , I will probably start below 50mg, but 50mg is the max that I will take it to during that 4-week period.

I believe I am ready. I have my diet in order, and have my workouts in order so this should be fun. I will definitely be posting up before pictures and starting a journal in the appropriate place.

[Liftnainez]

I am taking winny orally, and have read that 50mg is an excellent dosage to start at, and most times stay at.

Dbol , I will probably start below 50mg, but 50mg is the max that I will take it to during that 4-week period.

I believe I am ready. I have my diet in order, and have my workouts in order so this should be fun. I will definitely be posting up before pictures and starting a journal in the appropriate place.

yes stay @50mg per day for the winny, not 25mg... as long as your diet is in order and you know what your doing you should have amazing results.. keep us posted on how it goes bro.. good luck

[1zach4]

I actually can't wait to start...i'll be starting with a buddy of mine who is on his 3rd cycle, and he'll just be running TestE/Deca and finishing up with the Winny/Clen /T3 combo like I am.

It's kind of funny that I constantly research this stuff ALL day long, whether i'm at work/school or home...I haven't done a cycle yet but I am already giving my friend tips on how to improve his cycles to see more results.

[1zach4]

So dosages and the stack look good?

[doittoit]

the dosages are fine bro, I think the cycle is a good one and actually well thought out. If your gonna do it do it right, dont pussy around with 25mg of win lol.

[1zach4]

yeah i've put some time/research/thought into this cycle since I want it to be effective and worth my time/money.

I don't plan on messing around with any of my dosages. Go big or go home. If I can't take it then i'll back it off a little bit, but I don't plan on it.

[gymrat12345]

too many ancillaries while your running your cycle.

[taiboxa]

too many compounds

[100%NATURAL-theGH]

I guess to each his own.. I know most people will not get great gains off 25mg, ESPECIALLY taking winny orally.. you arent even getting 25mg, your getting less..

I take 100mg/winny and 100mg/dbol a day... I've even take 150mg Arol and 70 mg Dbol together... 25mg of Winny wouldn't do a damn thing to me...

[1zach4]

what do you mean by too many ancillaries?

The first part of my cycle is just TestE/Dbol /Mastabol Depot

The last end is Clen /T3/Winny

All while running letro at small dosages to avoid water retention

[jef]

way too much for a first cycle. i saw awesome results from test c at 500mg alone.

[1zach4]

can you give a reason why it is too much for a first cycle?

Also, why do you think I have too many ancillaries?

[1zach4]

anyone?

[1zach4]

Well after further review and research i'll be dropping the Clen /T3 combo until after PCT is finished. However, I am keeping the Winny on the end of the cycle as planned.

[SVTMuscle*]

Thats way to many compounds man, for your first cycle, remember, the KISS rule, keep it simple stupid.
start with just the Test E and MAYBE the Dbol for 4 weeks. but, starting small may help with the BIG part later

[1zach4]

I hate to say it...but i've talked to a few guys that compete and they all said that the cycle sounds good.

The one thing they told me to change was the T3/Clen combo on the end of my cycle and just move it to after PCT.

[SVTMuscle*]

The cycle itself is good, we're just saying for your first cycle, thats alot of gear

[1zach4]

I understand by some standards that it is a lot, but can you mention a few problems that are associated with this?

It's not like i'm taking a lot of gear, you are just saying i'm taking a lot for my first time, correct?

[SVTMuscle*]

Yes, there are cycles that can contain more compounds, but as far as your FIRST cycle, its good to keep it basic to see how you react to certain drugs and so on. Plus medical reasons, you never know if your body can handle that much gear at once, and so on.
I do not have a specific reason to say WHY many compounds are bad besides what i already said, but im sure a VET will come in here and explain why numerous compounds are bad

[1zach4]

I see what you are saying...i'm not ordering for a few weeks so i've got some time to weigh the pros and cons of the matter.

Either I can go all out and hope that my body doesn't have a problem with any of the gear, or just keep it simple for the time being. My body is normally open to anything in terms of medical treatments and always was very receptive to whatever was thrown at it, so hopefully I can assume that it will work the same way with AAS

[one8nine]

bro why do you need aromasin AND letro AND masteron it doesnt make sense

pick one and keep another on hand JUST IN CASE MAYBE but you can get away with just one i say ditch the letro and aromasin

and why are you ding a high dose of hcg the first 3 weeks? i think it could be more effective use in the later section not the very start that doesnt make sense to me.

good job on the rest though

[1zach4]

so do you recommend running masteron on cycle, and just aromasin for PCT?

I'll probably pick up some letro regardless, because i'm using it to combat water weight while on cycle.

[1zach4]

Well i've certainly decided to keep my cycle simple...i'll be starting next week running 750mg Test E a week for 14 weeks, Deca at 600mg/wk for 12 weeks, and Dbol at 50mg/ED for 4 weeks.

I might step up my test dosage the last few weeks if I feel i'll see improvement from that.