Cycle Critique___HELP

**pin_cuzion** · 07-21-2006, 10:19 AM

Hey all...here is a little bit of history for you so that it can help you in critiquing my cycle

STATS:

6'4
280 lbs
24 years old
BF 16-17%
Cycle Experience: 2 previously
Lifting Experience: 6 years
Lifting Knowledge: extensive
Diet: Water, proteins, carbs, natural vitamins
Supplements: none at present

my two previous cycles were very effective...my first one ever was deca and sust run over 8 weeks in which I gained 42 pounds total and kept 35 of that...however, it was a thick bulky look without much vascularity...albeit, stength shot through the roof and size nearly doubled

second cycle was deca, sust, dbol over 10 weeks...not as effective as the first and resulted in a lot of water retention...

last cycle experience was about 3 years ago...since then I have played football at a university and have not taken anything at all...i have maintained a lot of my thickness but in doing so have put on some unwanted size and bulk...I want to cut down now and reduce my BF and increase my solid muscle mass...as such I have decided its time agian to hit the gear and this is what i've come up with...ladies and gents, please offer your insight and input...it's greatly appreciated...

10 week cycle consiting of Tren A, TEst E, Clen and Anavar

Test E - wk 1-10, 250 mg E3D
Tren A - wk 1-10, 250 mg E3D
Clen - wk 1-10, 100 mg ED
Anavar - wk 1-5, 60 mg ED

what does everyone think...

**tonytone** · 07-21-2006, 10:34 AM

whoa, 250 mg tren a E3D? never seen anyone dose it like that, plus it's way to high and your blood levels will be ****ed.. i would only do clen for 6 wks at a time, and make sure to run benadryl when you see your basal body temp dropping in the AM..and i think var should be run for 8 wks to achieve max results
in short, i would cut down the BF w a strict diet/cardio routine before taking aas again

**need2bhuge** · 07-21-2006, 10:35 AM

6'4" 280lbs!!! Damn! Personally I would save the clen for PCT...it will help you retain more of your gains by blocking the cortisol receptors. The tren should help you cut up and I would shoot it ED or EOD to keep a very consistent blood level. I won't comment on the anavar because I have never used it. The test seems to be ok, shooting test e E3D is fine because of its long ester. Do you have a PCT protocol in mind???

**pin_cuzion** · 07-21-2006, 10:45 AM

I was anticipating using clomid for PCT in the typical 300-100-50 regime, but the clen might be a good thing to retain until PCT...could the clen and the clomid be ran together, or is that even necessary

is the dose of Tren at 250 mg ok for the whole week...split into say 5 shots of 50mg...

is the clen dose ok at 100 mg a day for 6 weeks...used as PCT

would it be worthwhile to add winny to the cycle or is it ok the way it is...

so how does this look now...

Test E - wk 1-10, 250 mg E3D
Tren A - wk 1-10, 250 mg week, shot 50 mg ED (for 5 days)
Anavar - wk 1-8, 60 mg ED
Clomid - PCT (300-100-50)
Clen - wk 11-16, 100 mg ED (PCT)

**pdog80** · 07-21-2006, 10:52 AM

You should shoot tren ed. 50mgs/ed would be ideal since this is your first time using tren. Also, you should run the test longer than the tren. About a week or two longer.

**tonytone** · 07-21-2006, 10:53 AM

here
1-10 test e 250mg e3d
1-8 tren a 50mg ED
1-8 var @ 60mg ED
and i like clen for pct as well, just make sure to use the bbtemp monitoring method

**pin_cuzion** · 07-21-2006, 10:56 AM

stupid question perhaps, but i'm asking anyhow...

what exactly is the bbtemp monitoring method

**pin_cuzion** · 07-21-2006, 10:57 AM

is the clen at 6 weeks (100mg ED) ok as PCT...or should it be higher or lower than that

**tonytone** · 07-21-2006, 10:59 AM

bbtemp method is checking your temp RIGHT UPON waking in the AM while on clen ..clen will elevate your body temp. and when you start to see that temp dropping in the AM, it's time to clean out your receptors w benadryl. i ususally have to do this 1/2 way through wk 2, but around wk 3 is the standard
as far as dose, you need to find what works best for you. my max is 140mcg/day, but for you, it may be higher or lower to balance benefit w side effects

**tonytone** · 07-21-2006, 11:00 AM

check it
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199822

**pin_cuzion** · 07-21-2006, 11:03 AM

thanks for the info tonytone...very much appreciated...

i have never hit clen before and have no idea how my body will react to it...but i will definitely give it a read before i jump into it...

**tonytone** · 07-21-2006, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by pin_cuzion

thanks for the info tonytone...very much appreciated...

i have never hit clen before and have no idea how my body will react to it...but i will definitely give it a read before i jump into it...

if you have never run it before, definitely ramp up the dose slowly, ie day 1 20 mcg, day2 40 mcg, etc..you will start to see the sides (shakes, headaches etc), and just find a dose that you can get up to that's tolerable and beneficial. hope all this helps, and best of luck to you..any more questions, ask away

**pin_cuzion** · 07-21-2006, 11:08 AM

is 6 weeks an ok duration to run the clen for...

and building tolerance is the best method for a rookie clen taker eh? i will definitely use that info wisely...

**pin_cuzion** · 07-21-2006, 11:09 AM

would it be worthwhile for me to add some deca into the original cycle too...
say in a dose of 250 mg E3D

**tonytone** · 07-21-2006, 11:16 AM

i would not add deca , because you have a great cutter cycle there..save the deca for a bulking cycle

**tonytone** · 07-21-2006, 11:16 AM

6 wks is perfect for the clen
you're not really building a tolerance, but you're just taking it slow to see how your body reacts

**pin_cuzion** · 07-21-2006, 11:16 AM

perfect...i was thinking that myself but wanted other opinions

what about winny?

**Bigmax** · 07-21-2006, 11:35 AM

you can add the winny at the last 6 weeks of the cycle bro.

**pin_cuzion** · 07-21-2006, 11:36 AM

what would be a good dosage of winny if i were to add it...

**tonytone** · 07-21-2006, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by pin_cuzion

what would be a good dosage of winny if i were to add it...

50mg ED

**pin_cuzion** · 07-21-2006, 11:49 AM

thanks for all the help bros...very much appreciated

**Bigmax** · 07-21-2006, 11:58 AM

Not contradict what toney said,,,but winny is only active in the system between 8 and 12 hours so you might want split whatever dose you're doing twice a day.

**pin_cuzion** · 07-21-2006, 01:44 PM

thanks for the info bigmax...25mg twice a day sounds good to me...

**pin_cuzion** · 07-21-2006, 01:47 PM

is it ok to mix these types of roids together to shoot in one shot, so that im not a complete pin cushion...or should they all be taken separate

**pin_cuzion** · 07-21-2006, 01:51 PM

so as an up to date confirmation, this is what i have...

wk 1-10 - Test E, 250mg E3D
wk 1-8 - Tren A, 50mg ED
wk 1-8 - Anavar , 60mg ED
wk 5-10 - Winstrol , 2x 25mg ED
wk 11-16 - Clen , building up from 20mg ED to 120mg ED

everyone agree that this is ok?

should i be looking into clomid as well for PCT or is clen enough

**pin_cuzion** · 07-21-2006, 01:58 PM

so as an up to date confirmation, this is what i have...

wk 1-10 - Test E, 250mg E3D
wk 1-8 - Tren A, 50mg ED
wk 1-8 - Anavar , 60mg ED
wk 5-10 - Winstrol , 2x 25mg ED
wk 11-16 - Clen , building up from 20mg ED to 120mg ED

everyone agree that this is ok?

should i be looking into clomid as well for PCT or is clen enough

**pin_cuzion** · 07-21-2006, 01:58 PM

so as an up to date confirmation, this is what i have...

wk 1-10 - Test E, 250mg E3D
wk 1-8 - Tren A, 50mg ED
wk 1-8 - Anavar , 60mg ED
wk 5-10 - Winstrol , 2x 25mg ED
wk 11-16 - Clen , building up from 20mg ED to 120mg ED

everyone agree that this is ok?

should i be looking into clomid as well for PCT or is clen enough

**k@m NYC** · 07-21-2006, 07:09 PM

Clen is in mcg not mg.

ouch that would heart explosive..

**need2bhuge** · 07-21-2006, 07:50 PM

Yes, you should add clomid to your PCT for as long as you need until you feel that your levels are back...you need to up your natty test levels back to nomral as quickly as possible. I would also use nolva at 20mgs/day.

**need2bhuge** · 07-21-2006, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by pin_cuzion

is it ok to mix these types of roids together to shoot in one shot, so that im not a complete pin cushion...or should they all be taken separate

You can mix the them together!!!

**tonytone** · 07-21-2006, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by pin_cuzion

so as an up to date confirmation, this is what i have...

wk 1-10 - Test E, 250mg E3D
wk 1-8 - Tren A, 50mg ED
wk 1-8 - Anavar , 60mg ED
wk 5-10 - Winstrol , 2x 25mg ED
wk 11-16 - Clen , building up from 20mg ED to 120mg ED

everyone agree that this is ok?

should i be looking into clomid as well for PCT or is clen enough

looks good to me..i personally have never run winny, so im only somewhat familiar with it, but if that's the active life, take it 2x a day..
while on clen, make sure to take supps for taurine, potassium, and drink an assload of water, i strive for 2 gals/day