check my next cycle

**JRH** · 07-22-2006, 12:49 PM

week 1-5 60 mg D-bol per day
week 1-16 super test @ 1000 mg per week
week 1-14 Deca 300 @600 mg per week
week 1-14 EQ @ 600 mg per week
week 12-16 D-bol @ 60 mg per day

PCT
nolva every day
L-dex every day
clom 300 mg 200 mg 100 mg 3 weeks after last shot of test

**Liftnainez** · 07-22-2006, 12:53 PM

why use nolva ed? I would just stick with ldex

**tobetutz** · 07-22-2006, 12:54 PM

week 1-14 EQ @ 60 mg per week
week 12-16 D-bol @ 600 mg per day

??????????

What are your stats?

**JRH** · 07-22-2006, 12:56 PM

sorry i changed it

**pdog80** · 07-22-2006, 12:56 PM

Why would you do eq and deca in the same cycle? Just stick to one. Also, if you do go with eq you need to at least run it 400mgs/week for 15 weeks to see results. Frontloading with d-bol for the first 5 weeks is fine, but why would you want to run it again for the last 4 weeks? In my opinion, that's a waste. 60mgs of d-bol per day is a lot. I'd say stick to 40mgs. Also, you wanna run the l-dex at .25mgs ed during the cycle, not PCT.

**JRH** · 07-22-2006, 12:57 PM

6' 3" 215lbs and old

**tobetutz** · 07-22-2006, 01:02 PM

Running the d-bol twice is something that I would not do. How are you going to do your PCT? at what doseages and for how long are you going to run all of your substances? Also how old is old?

**Hellmaskbanned** · 07-22-2006, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by JRH

6' 3" 215lbs and old

Why do you want to run that many compounds with those doses being your weight for your height? Doesn't make sence.

**JRH** · 07-22-2006, 01:03 PM

I have sean great gains on deca and eq w/ test

**Hellmaskbanned** · 07-22-2006, 01:04 PM

Just do Test&Deca .
You should gain plenty of size. Remember to take something to combat bloat.

**JRH** · 07-22-2006, 01:07 PM

i have done test and deca not enough size i do cardio with a sauna suit every day so i loose all the water all my gains are true gains i think when this cycle is done i will have put on about 10 to 15 lbs of pure muscle

**Liftnainez** · 07-22-2006, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by pdog80

Why would you do eq and deca in the same cycle? Just stick to one. Also, if you do go with eq you need to at least run it 400mgs/week for 15 weeks to see results. Frontloading with d-bol for the first 5 weeks is fine, but why would you want to run it again for the last 4 weeks? In my opinion, that's a waste. 60mgs of d-bol per day is a lot. I'd say stick to 40mgs. Also, you wanna run the l-dex at .25mgs ed during the cycle, not PCT.

Wow Im sorry pdog but your post is VERY flawed.. 1st) Many people have great success with running EQ and DECA at the same time... 2nd) many people have ran EQ for 10-12 weeks with great results.. (it may be more optimal to run EQ for 15 weeks but to say " to see results you muct run EQ at least 15 weeks is wrong") 3rd)I see nothing wrong with runnning dbol at that dosage at the beg and the end.. whats wrong with that? 4) adex can be a good addition to pct not only during the cycle..
where did you get all this info? Not trying to be a dick, but this adivce should notbe given out..

**JRH** · 07-22-2006, 01:10 PM

that is what i m talking about

**Liftnainez** · 07-22-2006, 01:10 PM

JRH I like your cycle.. it should yield great results..

**JRH** · 07-22-2006, 01:12 PM

thank you I always plan 1 cycle ahead after this bulk what do you think would be a great cutter cycle for next summer and i can get any compound

**Liftnainez** · 07-22-2006, 01:15 PM

anything with: var, eq, winny, tren , masteron , test, halo..etc

**JRH** · 07-22-2006, 01:21 PM

cool nice pic i love it

**JRH** · 07-22-2006, 01:21 PM

all this test and that pic is not good

**Liftnainez** · 07-22-2006, 01:25 PM

haha.. yea i know

**shortie** · 07-22-2006, 01:29 PM

Drop the 2nd run on Dbol and run a DHT(Such as winstrol )derived AAS in it's place, this will help you continue to gain despite the rising levles of SHBG you be having at this point. I also don't like repetitious use of an AAS or cycle, not unlike workout styles I think the body responds to changing stimulus the best. Other than that the layout looks good, not sure if you need that much gear, but that's your deal~

**JRH** · 07-22-2006, 01:54 PM

change D-bol to winny?

**shortie** · 07-22-2006, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by JRH

change D-bol to winny?

Not necessarily, winstrol is a good example, but any DHT derived AAS will do for lowering SHBG.

**JRH** · 07-22-2006, 01:57 PM

ok at whaat mg

**shortie** · 07-22-2006, 01:59 PM

Depends on the AAS, if you use proviron 50-100mgs/ day, winny will lower SHBG at very low doses, but to get gains from the winny as well as the side benefit of SHBG reduction run it 50 mg ed, masteron run about 400mg/wk will do an excellent job-really up to you.

**Anabolios** · 07-22-2006, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Liftnainez

Wow Im sorry pdog but your post is VERY flawed.. 1st) Many people have great success with running EQ and DECA at the same time... 2nd) many people have ran EQ for 10-12 weeks with great results.. (it may be more optimal to run EQ for 15 weeks but to say " to see results you muct run EQ at least 15 weeks is wrong") 3rd)I see nothing wrong with runnning dbol at that dosage at the beg and the end.. whats wrong with that? 4) adex can be a good addition to pct not only during the cycle..
where did you get all this info? Not trying to be a dick, but this adivce should notbe given out..

ahemem parrotism..i had a feeling youd comment on this post...that 15 weeks 400mg a week is straight up parrot ldex is GREAT for pct..and as for changing the dbol to winny..that would be a good idea but you could also use proviron right through pct instead of ldex nolva/proviron combo is great to combat bloat and estrogen sides

**Anabolios** · 07-22-2006, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by shortie

Depends on the AAS, if you use proviron 50-100mgs/ day, winny will lower SHBG at very low doses, but to get gains from the winny as well as the side benefit of SHBG reduction run it 50 mg ed, masteron run about 400mg/wk will do an excellent job-really up to you.

beat me to the proviron comment

**JRH** · 07-22-2006, 02:02 PM

ok should i run Masteron at 400 mg per week from 12-16 or what should i chang eq and test to 16 weeks

**shortie** · 07-22-2006, 02:10 PM

You could run it right up to PCT weeks 12-18, same can be said of Proviron . Win would be best run only 5 weeks IMO so 14-18. As for choice of drug it's really up to you and what can you get-but any one of those three would be a better addition than dbol run a second time.

**pdog80** · 07-22-2006, 02:17 PM

You are being a dick, Lift, ever since day 1 that I joined this forum. I'm just listing my opinions. Also, I SUGGESTED that eq and deca not be run together because that would thicken the blood real good to the point that he might get high bp. Also, what's the point of running d-bol during the last 4 weeks of a cycle? To me that's just stupid and pointless. The first 4-5 weeks I understand because to frontload and the strength gains, but the last 4 weeks is a waste. Just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean you have to be a dick about it. You can state your opinions without being such an asshole. It's called RESPECTING THE OTHER MEMBERS OPINIONS ON THIS BOARD!!!

**Anabolios** · 07-22-2006, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by pdog80

You are being a dick, Lift, ever since day 1 that I joined this forum. I'm just listing my opinions. Also, I SUGGESTED that eq and deca not be run together because that would thicken the blood real good to the point that he might get high bp. Also, what's the point of running d-bol during the last 4 weeks of a cycle? To me that's just stupid and pointless. The first 4-5 weeks I understand because to frontload and the strength gains, but the last 4 weeks is a waste. Just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean you have to be a dick about it. You can state your opinions without being such an asshole. It's called RESPECTING THE OTHER MEMBERS OPINIONS ON THIS BOARD!!!

telling someone they have to run a 15 week cycle of eq to see results isnt an opinion..its telling them that at 12 weeks they wont get anything out of it there is a point in running dbol at the end of your cycle because when you are waiting for your androgen levels to drop (2 weeks from last test e shot) its good to have a compound that supports muscle winny would prob be the better choice or tbol or var because they promote less water retention..but if the user only had dbol..itd be more than fine no need for the middle finger..he was picking apart your post in a positive critique sort of way so you didnt give out that advice anymore because its just not true....also telling someone that they cant run ldex during pct? your advice could be taken literally and someone might lose out on a vital component of their pct

sounds like you are being rude to him..not vice versa

but hey what do i know

**one8nine** · 07-22-2006, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Liftnainez

Wow Im sorry pdog but your post is VERY flawed.. 1st) Many people have great success with running EQ and DECA at the same time... 2nd) many people have ran EQ for 10-12 weeks with great results.. (it may be more optimal to run EQ for 15 weeks but to say " to see results you muct run EQ at least 15 weeks is wrong") 3rd)I see nothing wrong with runnning dbol at that dosage at the beg and the end.. whats wrong with that? 4) adex can be a good addition to pct not only during the cycle..
where did you get all this info? Not trying to be a dick, but this adivce should notbe given out..

agree on all points

**Liftnainez** · 07-22-2006, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by pdog80

You are being a dick, Lift, ever since day 1 that I joined this forum. I'm just listing my opinions. Also, I SUGGESTED that eq and deca not be run together because that would thicken the blood real good to the point that he might get high bp. Also, what's the point of running d-bol during the last 4 weeks of a cycle? To me that's just stupid and pointless. The first 4-5 weeks I understand because to frontload and the strength gains, but the last 4 weeks is a waste. Just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean you have to be a dick about it. You can state your opinions without being such an asshole. It's called RESPECTING THE OTHER MEMBERS OPINIONS ON THIS BOARD!!!

bro I CLEARLY STATED that I wasnt trying to be a dick, but that you should not spread FALSE information.. stop being so sensitive.. if you cant get that you are WRONG then there are some other issues that we have to take care of.. anyway it still stands- the info you are spreading is FALSE.. I dont know how you can take this personally????

**Liftnainez** · 07-22-2006, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anabolios

ahemem parrotism..i had a feeling youd comment on this post...that 15 weeks 400mg a week is straight up parrot ldex is GREAT for pct..and as for changing the dbol to winny..that would be a good idea but you could also use proviron right through pct instead of ldex nolva/proviron combo is great to combat bloat and estrogen sides

yea it doesnt stop..lol.. I agree proviron would be a good addition.

**Liftnainez** · 07-22-2006, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anabolios

telling someone they have to run a 15 week cycle of eq to see results isnt an opinion..its telling them that at 12 weeks they wont get anything out of it there is a point in running dbol at the end of your cycle because when you are waiting for your androgen levels to drop (2 weeks from last test e shot) its good to have a compound that supports muscle winny would prob be the better choice or tbol or var because they promote less water retention..but if the user only had dbol..itd be more than fine no need for the middle finger..he was picking apart your post in a positive critique sort of way so you didnt give out that advice anymore because its just not true....also telling someone that they cant run ldex during pct? your advice could be taken literally and someone might lose out on a vital component of their pct

sounds like you are being rude to him..not vice versa

but hey what do i know

EXACTLY.. thanks for the backup/calrification bro

**pdog80** · 07-22-2006, 08:06 PM

At least anabolios is making a conscious effort to respectfully criticize what I had to say. You lift on the other hand have in the past and today criticized my opinions in a way that is borderline flaming. I don't go around and tell you that your opinions are wrong in a disrespectful way like you do. Anabolios=constructive criticism, you=criticism but being a dick about it.
Also, my opinions are from personal experience and I have made good gains from my 5 cycles and kept most of them. While I'll admit that I don't know everything about AAS, I know enough to know what an effective cycle is what's not.