Which mass cycle?

**Joel_Juice** · 06-25-2002, 12:02 PM

Which one of these would u recommend me? I have done test/deca , test/dbol and test/dbol/winny cycle before. I use proscar and i dont have any hairloss with test and dbol, but little hairloss with winny 50ed. I dont wanna stop using proscar and thats why i wonder should i take tren , anavar or eq. Also i have pretty bad acne on my back.

Here are my options:

week--testex---dbol---tren----hcg ---clomid
1-----1500mg---50ed-----------------------
2-----1500mg---50ed-----------------------
3-----750mg----50ed-----------------------
4-----750mg----50ed-----------5000iu------
5-----750mg----50ed---80ed----------------
6-----750mg-----------80ed----------------
7-----750mg-----------80ed----------------
8-----750mg-----------80ed----5000iu------
9-----750mg-----------80ed----------------
10----750mg-----------80ed----------------
11----------------------------------------
12----------------------------5000iu------
13 ---------------------------5000iu------
14-----------------------------------100ed

week--testex---eq-----dbol----hcg-----clomid
1-----1000mg---500mg--50ed------------------
2-----1000mg---500mg--50ed------------------
3-----1000mg---500mg--50ed------------------
4-----1000mg---500mg--50ed----5000iu--------
5-----1000mg---500mg------------------------
6-----1000mg---500mg------------------------
7-----1000mg---500mg------------------------
8-----1000mg---500mg--50ed----5000iu--------
9-----1000mg---500mg--50ed------------------
10----1000mg---500mg--50ed------------------
11--------------------50ed------------------
12----------------------------5000iu--------
13----------------------------5000iu--------
14-------------------------------------100ed
15-------------------------------------50ed
16-------------------------------------50ed

week--testex---oxa----dbol----hcg-----clomid
1-----1000mg---50ed---50ed------------------
2-----1000mg---50ed---50ed------------------
3-----1000mg---50ed---50ed------------------
4-----1000mg---50ed---50ed----5000iu--------
5-----1000mg---50ed-------------------------
6-----1000mg---50ed-------------------------
7-----1000mg---50ed-------------------------
8-----1000mg---50ed---50ed----5000iu--------
9-----1000mg---50ed---50ed------------------
10----1000mg---50ed---50ed------------------
11--------------------50ed------------------
12----------------------------5000iu--------
13----------------------------5000iu--------
14-------------------------------------100ed
15-------------------------------------50ed
16-------------------------------------50ed

**REM** · 06-25-2002, 01:10 PM

personally i like the 2nd cycle without HCG
and run D-bol 1-10

**Joel_Juice** · 06-25-2002, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by REM
personally i like the 2nd cycle without HCG
and run D-bol 1-10

Is it ok to run dbol that long time? And who dont u wanna add hcg? It should give good kick during cycle.

**REM** · 06-25-2002, 01:41 PM

personally i havent seen any side effects at this
point i like the results last time i did it so
next time i'm doing for 10 wks my doc is monitoring my status so i feel comfortable now
for HCG i have no clu regarding such....

**Joel_Juice** · 06-25-2002, 02:33 PM

bump

**irish4life** · 06-25-2002, 03:24 PM

Out of those three choices i like the 2nd cycle also but i wouldn't recomend running Dbol 10 weeks. espiaclly at 50mgs ED weeks i would say weeks 1-6 at most.

**jersey juice** · 06-25-2002, 04:45 PM

bro, I love a nice deca /test/dbol cycle. dbol for 5 weeks...test & deca for 10, eat like a horse and grow like a weed!!!

**SUPERDAVE** · 06-26-2002, 09:07 AM

If you already have acne problems, i would lay off the tren . It made me break out real bad on my arms and back.
I would go with the third one with one change. Drop the dbol and add eq at 600mg a week for weeks 1-10

G-S · 06-26-2002, 09:22 AM

I dont like any of them. All 3 of them are set up wrong.

**Joel_Juice** · 06-26-2002, 09:25 AM

Originally posted by Gettin Stupid
I dont like any of them. All 3 of them are set up wrong.

LOL! Well if u think like that way, then tell me whats wron with them?

**Joel_Juice** · 06-26-2002, 09:28 AM

Originally posted by SUPERDAVE
If you already have acne problems, i would lay off the tren . It made me break out real bad on my arms and back.
I would go with the third one with one change. Drop the dbol and add eq at 600mg a week for weeks 1-10

Well i ordered tren allready. I have few pimples both sides of my upper back, i think i will get some stuff from pharmacy to take care of it. More than acne i am worried about hairloss, but i am ok with test and dbol so i guess tren is ok too. However winny give little hairloss to me

**Kingnut** · 06-26-2002, 09:33 AM

Cycle #2 sounds good to me. However I wouldn't run the D-bol for more than 6-8 weeks either. Just askin for long-term damage. Nut

**Joel_Juice** · 06-26-2002, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by Kingnut
Cycle #2 sounds good to me. However I wouldn't run the D-bol for more than 6-8 weeks either. Just askin for long-term damage. Nut

Well i have used dbol 2 times and my liver values are great. I did not use any liver protectros and i drinked beer couple times. Some people has stronger liver than others. I bet if i take dbol 8 weeks straing i will be ok. Well anyway i will run the first cycle and if tren gives problem i just contiune with dbol and test.

**Jayflex** · 06-26-2002, 09:55 AM

Go with the second one. Do the d-ball for only 6-8 wks max. You'll get the results your lookin for. Good luck.

G-S · 06-26-2002, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by Joel_Juice

LOL! Well if u think like that way, then tell me whats wron with them?

Well, for starters, from what I can remember - The 1st one, tapering is not necessary. Also, you are running the tren yet stopping a few weeks short of clomid. Not smart. Tren has a short half life and SHOULD be ran right up until the day before you start clomid therapy.

2nd one - you take dbol for 4 weeks, then a 3 week break, then take it for another 4 weeks.. Fine if you wanna risk liver values, but atleast put a 5 week break in between, and run it right up until Clomid, so as to attempt to keep more gains.

3rd one - see above.

**ironfist** · 06-26-2002, 12:49 PM

I'd do the second one. Looks better to me. If it were me, I'd run dbol for the whole time. The toxicity of 17AA's is way overrated. I would do this but it doesn't necessarily mean you should. Theraputic doses of anadrol given to aids patients is 300mg/day for 16 months.(just something to think about)

**REM** · 06-26-2002, 01:04 PM

the reason why i'm saying that i'll do
D-bol 50mg 1-10 i checked my liver was fine my doc
told me go ahead i can keep doing it at the end
of your cycle come back and ill check your liver
again, he is pretty cool and honest so next cycle
i'll do 50mg 8 or 10 wks, LOEFFLER D-bol is very
good shit after 2.5 wks gained 8lbs so definitly
i'll do it again...

**Nathan** · 06-26-2002, 01:39 PM

The first but use tren right on through. Trust me.

**Joel_Juice** · 06-27-2002, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by Nathan
The first but use tren right on through. Trust me.

Well i ordered tren so i will g owith no1

But would it be better to run tren 40mg ed for whole cycle?

week--testex---dbol ---tren----hcg -----clomid
1-----1500mg---50ed--40ed-----------------
2-----1500mg---50ed--40ed-----------------
3-----750mg----50ed--40ed-----------------
4-----750mg----50ed--40ed----5000iu-------
5-----750mg----50ed--40ed-----------------
6-----750mg-----------40ed-----------------
7-----750mg-----------40ed-----------------
8-----750mg-----------40ed----5000iu-------
9-----750mg-----------40ed-----------------
10----750mg-----------40ed-----------------
11------------------------------5000iu-------
12------------------------------5000iu-------
13--------------------------------------100ed
14---------------------------------------50ed
15---------------------------------------50ed

Also i am considering to up the test dosage to 1000mg, do u htink i would get much better gains with that? I may need accutane with this cycle to keep acne away.

**Joel_Juice** · 06-27-2002, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by Gettin Stupid

Well, for starters, from what I can remember - The 1st one, tapering is not necessary. Also, you are running the tren yet stopping a few weeks short of clomid. Not smart. Tren has a short half life and SHOULD be ran right up until the day before you start clomid therapy.

2nd one - you take dbol for 4 weeks, then a 3 week break, then take it for another 4 weeks.. Fine if you wanna risk liver values, but atleast put a 5 week break in between, and run it right up until Clomid, so as to attempt to keep more gains.

3rd one - see above.

Well i dont see any tapering, it is called frontloading

Well the test is still active for couple weeks and i use hcg right after cycle and clomids after that, so its ok.

I have strong liver and i can run dbol for several weeks with out liver problems. I can use dbol several weeks and drink alcohol and i dont have any problems while some people have probles even if they see dbol tabs

**Joel_Juice** · 06-27-2002, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by ironfist
I'd do the second one. Looks better to me. If it were me, I'd run dbol for the whole time. The toxicity of 17AA's is way overrated. I would do this but it doesn't necessarily mean you should. Theraputic doses of anadrol given to aids patients is 300mg/day for 16 months.(just something to think about)

Amen! I dont have problems with dbol and so doesnt my friends. it is overrated like all the sided effects. But i picked up the no1

**Nathan** · 06-27-2002, 12:40 PM

Up the fina to 50-75mg ED IMO. Whatever you decide to do, shoot it ED. Good luck.

**Joel_Juice** · 06-27-2002, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by Nathan
Up the fina to 50-75mg ED IMO. Whatever you decide to do, shoot it ED. Good luck.

i was thinking that too, but i have only 40ml tren .

week--testex---dbol ---tren----hcg -----clomid
1-----1500mg---50ed------------------------
2-----1500mg---50ed------------------------
3-----1000mg---50ed--60ed-----------------
4-----1000mg---50ed--60ed----5000iu-------
5-----1000mg---50ed--60ed-----------------
6-----1000mg----------60ed-----------------
7-----1000mg----------60ed-----------------
8-----1000mg----------60ed----5000iu-------
9-----1000mg----------60ed-----------------
10----1000mg----------60ed-----------------
11------------------------------5000iu-------
12------------------------------5000iu-------
13--------------------------------------100ed
14---------------------------------------50ed
15---------------------------------------50ed

Do i need front load the test if i take it gram week? Damn pulling 0,75ml ed from bottle is not fun

i think it looks perfect now

Now i have to just wait 1,5 month...I hope i gain 15lbs muscle

**Nathan** · 06-27-2002, 01:39 PM

I wouldn't frontload trhen. I assume you have done lots of cycles before to be up to a gram a week? Sorry I just don't remember your cycle history off-hand bro though I'm sure I should.

G-S · 06-27-2002, 01:42 PM

Dude. RUN the TREN right up to clomid. Start it a coupla weeks later than you have it.

Trust me.

**Nathan** · 06-27-2002, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by Gettin Stupid
Dude. RUN the TREN right up to clomid. Start it a coupla weeks later than you have it.

Trust me.

I think this is a personal thing, but I don't like to run tren right until the end since it has such a dramatic effect on HPTA. I like it to be out of my system a few weeks before come off, but that's me.

**Joel_Juice** · 06-28-2002, 02:53 AM

Originally posted by Nathan
I wouldn't frontload trhen. I assume you have done lots of cycles before to be up to a gram a week? Sorry I just don't remember your cycle history off-hand bro though I'm sure I should.

Well, i have done 3 cycles before. 1st one was testex 500mg 8 weeks and deca 400mg 8 weeks. I gained about 20lbs and keeped almost all, so it was good cycle. 2nd one was virormone prop 100ed 6 weeks and thaibol 40ed 5 weeks. I gained 31lbs with this cycle and strenght gains were great! bad thing that i got bad diarhea after cycle and was months off gym. Obviosly i was disapointed because i lost all my gains. Well i started another cycle 5 weeks later. It was testen 1250mg 2 weeks, 750mg 6 weeks, russian dbol 50ed 6 weeks anavar 40ed 4 weeks, and winstrol 50ed last 3 weeks. Well obviosuly i started this cycle way too fast and gains werent good, i got strenghts to same level than on previous cycle. No during summer i have dropped my bodyfat with clen /eca. august september is time to start my next cycle.

So would u recommened 1500mg frontload 2 weeks and contiune with 750mg or 1000mg from start to end?

**Nathan** · 06-28-2002, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by Joel_Juice

Well, i have done 3 cycles before. 1st one was testex 500mg 8 weeks and deca 400mg 8 weeks. I gained about 20lbs and keeped almost all, so it was good cycle. 2nd one was virormone prop 100ed 6 weeks and thaibol 40ed 5 weeks. I gained 31lbs with this cycle and strenght gains were great! bad thing that i got bad diarhea after cycle and was months off gym. Obviosly i was disapointed because i lost all my gains. Well i started another cycle 5 weeks later. It was testen 1250mg 2 weeks, 750mg 6 weeks, russian dbol 50ed 6 weeks anavar 40ed 4 weeks, and winstrol 50ed last 3 weeks. Well obviosuly i started this cycle way too fast and gains werent good, i got strenghts to same level than on previous cycle. No during summer i have dropped my bodyfat with clen /eca. august september is time to start my next cycle.

So would u recommened 1500mg frontload 2 weeks and contiune with 750mg or 1000mg from start to end?

Well, were it me, I'd frontload the first week with 1500mg or the first two weeks with 1000-1250mg. Personally though, I wouldn't go up to 1000mg weekly right through just yet. No need hopefully.

**Joel_Juice** · 06-28-2002, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by Nathan

Well, were it me, I'd frontload the first week with 1500mg or the first two weeks with 1000-1250mg. Personally though, I wouldn't go up to 1000mg weekly right through just yet. No need hopefully.

Well i was not happy at all with testen 750mg. No bloat, no strenght and no musclemass. What i got from it was infections to my arms and legs. I wont touch that shit anymore

Well testex is know as a good brand, so maybe i do good gains with 750mg, or gram