Steroid cycle + supplements

[dildoman]

Im 27 years old
206 pounds
5 foot 6
15% bf
Fifth cycle


Im running 500mg Cyp for 14 weeks, 250mg Deca , 500mg Bold for 12 weeks. (Pyramiding down before I jump off cycle). Im going to take 25mg proviron each day (increase dosage if needed), and 500iu p/w of HCG starting from week 6. Clomid and Clenbuterol for PCT. The supplements Im taking are aminos, glutamine, fish oil, glucosamine, multivitamins & minerals, and liver detox tablets.

My question here is are there any usfull supplements im missing before I start my cycle in two weeks??? Or does this cycle look right?

[Kale]

Make sure you add Nolvadex to the PCT and Arimidex if you can get it

[dildoman]

I actually do have arimidex to take during cycle. Wouldnt clomid, clen and HCG be enough for PCT?

[Kale]

I actually do have arimidex to take during cycle. Wouldnt clomid, clen and HCG be enough for PCT?

Nope !!! Read this and it will explain why


Pheedno's PCT
My post cycle therapy consists of a three compound administration which is designed so that there is a primary and secondary LH stimulator which both are maximizing potential early in the duration; with the primary being phased out in extended protocol. With the addition of an Aromatase Inhibitor, which makes the above possible, the individual will also endure less of an increase in Sex Hormone Binding Globulin, which allows free testosterone levels to reach base line at a much quicker pace. The individual will also see less of a problem in most cases with sexual libido as the bounding SHBG is controlled(to an extent). Below you will find my suggested bare minimum, as well as a sample of an extended protocol. Extended PCT protcol is cycle length dependant so the below is not the standard for all cycles


PCT for cycles 8-16wks:
Day 1-30- .25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva

Extended protocol sample for a 12+ month cycle:
Day 1-15_ .25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva
Day 16-45_.25mg L-dex + 75mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva
Day 46-65_.25mg L-dex + 20mg Nolva
Day 66-80_.25mg L-dex

Now IMO, selective estrogen receptor modulators(SERMs) such as Clomiphine and Tamoxifen are selective to which tissues they bind too. Clomid being selective to the suprapituitary, while Tamox is selective to breast, bone, and liver ERs. I've come to this conclusion based on the comparison of studies on both SERMs. In every study showing benefit to HPTA from tamoxifin, the duration of the administration is 3-12months(This includes studies cited by William Llewellyn in his Nolva vs Clomid article). In studies showing levels of LH, FSH, and Testosterone checked after short durations of tamox, they were either insignificant, or their was an actual drop. I believe this is because tamox selectively works at the mammery(as well as bone and liver), thus taking longer for LH stimulation to occur.
With clomid, benefit to gonadotrophin concentrations, LH, FSH, and serum testosterone can be seen in short periods of 2-6wks. Because of the apparent selective nature of the two, and given our usual PCT duration, clomid is by far superior at LH stimulation than Nolva. Now both is the wise choice for a couple of reasons:

1. Nolva acts as the preventive measure to the estrogen flux
occured PC while clomid is the primary LH stimulator(Even more so in the case an AI is not used).
2. If your running a longer PCT, clomid needs to be discontinued after a while as it has been shown to desensitize GnRH, this due, IMO, to it's selective nature to the suprapituitary. In the longer forms of PCT, the clomid will be phased out, leaving Nolva and L-dex

Arimidex (or L-dex)
Estrogen is the main inhibitence of restoring HPTA, and AI administration has been shown to increase gonadotrophin concentrations and serum Testosterone by up to 50%. In addition, by adding L-dex, the inhibitence of excess estrogen allows Tamox to work greater at LH stimulation in the begining stages of PCT, since the need to prevent binding in the mammery is lessened by the reduction in estrogen biosynthesis

[dildoman]

Ok that explains it in detail so Ill have to get nolvadex now to complete my PCT. What do you think of the supplements Im taking is there anything Im missing?

[Kale]

All looks pretty good, I hardly ever take any and I have no issues .

[dildoman]

thanks for the info and tips.