cycles w/o test

**SLYDOG69** · 07-30-2006, 10:09 PM

i was wondering if anyone has tried cycles without test..have u notice less sides with out test like acne.. just wondering what some cycles are and what kinda gains u got
thanks

**aadrenaline** · 07-30-2006, 10:12 PM

i ran winny by itself @ 50mg ED for 7 weeks..

hmmm lets see i noticed my muscles were rock hard..i lost some weight and then put some weight on like i lost 7lbs and then put on 10lbs towards the end...no joint pain, the captain was fine, no hairloss, a little more vascular...it was okay for free

**Bigmax** · 07-30-2006, 10:15 PM

I have done cycles with out test and have done good.Not as good as with test but good.As far as sides ther'es no telling what sides you get until you try for yourself.I never get acne ..where some people have to take meds to clear it up.

**Bigmax** · 07-30-2006, 10:17 PM

Ive run deca and dbol ...tren by itself with no prob at all.again bro thats me ive heard horror stories of other people that ran deca and other things without test and had bad problems with their libido.

**SLYDOG69** · 07-31-2006, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by Bigmax

Ive run deca and dbol...tren by itself with no prob at all.again bro thats me ive heard horror stories of other people that ran deca and other things without test and had bad problems with their libido.

At what dosage did u run the deca and dbol ...

**wes cst rydr** · 07-31-2006, 04:04 PM

tried 400 wk 12 wks deca and 4 wks of d tabs. had good gains. minny me was ok. took forever for the boys to drop though.but i also had a shit-t pct.

**cutting_king** · 07-31-2006, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by wes cst rydr

tried 400 wk 12 wks deca and 4 wks of d tabs. had good gains. minny me was ok. took forever for the boys to drop though.but i also had a shit-t pct.

pretty much all my cycles are without test now. I use masteron (My personal favorite) and when i get enough money I'll use primo. usually stacked with t-bol, var, EQ, or tren . i never have libido issues but then t-bol helps with that anyway. test is good but its not something that HAS to be in every cycle like you hear around here. its just peoples personal preferences because not everyone has the same goals or the same attitude to side effects\health risks. King

**kalla** · 07-31-2006, 05:50 PM

my best cycle without test was 400mg npp a week and 70mg winstrol ed along with 50mg proviron . npp for 8 weeks winny for 6 was awesome. strict diet lots of protein. lost a few pounds of fat and looked sick. was horny as hell also with the provirion in there. of course PCT

**Kale** · 07-31-2006, 05:54 PM

This is a good thread, when you guys talk about your cycles without Test make sure you mention what sides, if any you had, both during and after the cycle. Its important to know for guys trying to make a decision about doing a cycle without Test

**SLYDOG69** · 07-31-2006, 10:16 PM

my many concern is acne and my boys

**Bigmax** · 07-31-2006, 10:23 PM

Bro..you still can and will get acne from AAs other than test....also just cause you dont use test doesnt mean your nuts wont shrink....What are you planning to do??

**SLYDOG69** · 07-31-2006, 10:36 PM

well i was thinking of cycles that have litlle acne sides as possible..o have hear that tbol is pretty mild with little to no sides..i think in the future when im read for another cycle and if i do decide to use test i will maybe do a low dosage of test maybe try a fast acting ester like test p, instead of along ester like test e...

**InsaneInTheMembrane** · 07-31-2006, 10:41 PM

did one deca / d-bol AND one anavar only cycle some yrs back...big mistake for me IMO...experienced post-cycle loss of libido (with deca/dbol )and most of my gains from both cycles went away pretty quick after PCT....and yet, after the deca/dbol PCT, my test levels remained supressed for 6 more months until i did a second PCT and was good to go again...when I started to throw test in for later cycles, I experienced terrible back and facial acne but later discovered that with proper care (washing your face with anti-acne facewash 3X daily and showering 2-3x a day and scrubbing your back), you can minimize more of these sides than you think...also, drinking LOTS of water helps

the lesson i learnt was this, any lean muscle mass gained with test (in combo with other AS) can be kept post cycle because test is produced by the body and with PCT and sufficent restoration levels, you can keep ur gains; conversely, any LBM gained with AS not naturally produced by the body will not be maintained by the body post cycle.. its all about the "quality" of the muscle, as my BB pro friend/trainer used to say (and he knows his $hit: 6ft 264lbs 2% BF for his show)....I know it sounds REALLY over-simplified and probably has no basis in science, but that's what my experience has taught me..

**SLYDOG69** · 07-31-2006, 10:44 PM

right now im doing a clen cycle 2 weeks on 2 weeks off which i am right now.i love this shit alot i have lost a few inches around my waist around and my stoack working on the sick pack..i have lost about 7.5 pounds i like what i see so far very impressed

just want to big and lean

**Bigmax** · 07-31-2006, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by InsaneInTheMembrane

did one deca / d-bol AND one anavar only cycle some yrs back...big mistake for me IMO...experienced post-cycle loss of libido (with deca/dbol )and most of my gains from both cycles went away pretty quick after PCT....and yet, after the deca/dbol PCT, my test levels remained supressed for 6 more months until i did a second PCT and was good to go again...when I started to throw test in for later cycles, I experienced terrible back and facial acne but later discovered that with proper care (washing your face with anti-acne facewash 3X daily and showering 2-3x a day and scrubbing your back), you can minimize more of these sides than you think...also, drinking LOTS of water helps

the lesson i learnt was this, any lean muscle mass gained with test (in combo with other AS) can be kept post cycle because test is produced by the body and with PCT and sufficent restoration levels, you can keep ur gains; conversely, any LBM gained with AS not naturally produced by the body will not be maintained by the body post cycle.. its all about the "quality" of the muscle, as my BB pro friend/trainer used to say (and he knows his $hit: 6ft 264lbs 2% BF for his show)....I know it sounds REALLY over-simplified and even has no basis in science, but that's what my experience has taught me..

Hey bro we appreciate you sharing your experience with us...but thats what it was YOUR experience....everyone is different as I stated before ive used deca and dbol without a prob...have done tren alone..no prob....so its a thing that everyone has to see how they respond and go from there.

**Kale** · 07-31-2006, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by SLYDOG69

right now im doing a clen cycle 2 weeks on 2 weeks off which i am right now.i love this shit alot i have lost a few inches around my waist around and my stoack working on the sick pack..i have lost about 7.5 pounds i like what i see so far very impressed

just want to big and lean

Sly what kind of cardio are you doing with the Clen ?

**SLYDOG69** · 07-31-2006, 10:58 PM

i run about mile and half in the morning 3-4 days aweek also do some some short sprints try to keep my heart rate up....

**SLYDOG69** · 07-31-2006, 11:04 PM

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**InsaneInTheMembrane** · 08-01-2006, 01:13 AM

Originally Posted by Bigmax

Hey bro we appreciate you sharing your experience with us...but thats what it was YOUR experience....everyone is different as I stated before ive used deca and dbol without a prob...have done tren alone..no prob....so its a thing that everyone has to see how they respond and go from there.

I agree with you bro, we are all different, to each his own....

cheers

**vitor** · 08-01-2006, 02:18 AM

I did Trenbolone /winstrol for 8-weeks one time. I made solid gains, with minimal sides. All LBM gains where kept post cycle. Strenght gains sticked with me for a about 11-12 weeks b/f it startet to slowly decline, but that was when I startet my next run...

To say that you will recover better if you use Testosterone in the cycle is "false" after my expirences.

**kalla** · 08-01-2006, 01:21 PM

my libido was fine due to proviron which i believe should be ran with all non test cycles up to PCT...clomid tribulus pct for 4 - 5 weeks. 3 weeks pct is a myth and i believe should be run longer to insure full recovery. Side effects for me were not to bad, if any at all. Be safe and always keep test on hand just in case.

***Doc.Sust*** · 08-01-2006, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by InsaneInTheMembrane

did one deca / d-bol AND one anavar only cycle some yrs back...big mistake for me IMO...experienced post-cycle loss of libido (with deca/dbol )and most of my gains from both cycles went away pretty quick after PCT....and yet, after the deca/dbol PCT, my test levels remained supressed for 6 more months until i did a second PCT and was good to go again...when I started to throw test in for later cycles, I experienced terrible back and facial acne but later discovered that with proper care (washing your face with anti-acne facewash 3X daily and showering 2-3x a day and scrubbing your back), you can minimize more of these sides than you think...also, drinking LOTS of water helps

the lesson i learnt was this, any lean muscle mass gained with test (in combo with other AS) can be kept post cycle because test is produced by the body and with PCT and sufficent restoration levels, you can keep ur gains; conversely, any LBM gained with AS not naturally produced by the body will not be maintained by the body post cycle.. its all about the "quality" of the muscle, as my BB pro friend/trainer used to say (and he knows his $hit: 6ft 264lbs 2% BF for his show)....I know it sounds REALLY over-simplified and probably has no basis in science, but that's what my experience has taught me..

i agree, my experience is the same, . every time i did a cycle witout test, a lost my sex drive , and sfter the cycle lost all my gains an it took forever for my hpta to produce natural test again. bad rookie mistake