Ok guys! First injectable cycle. Test E.

[zaneisgreat]

Hello, first off, thanks for having me on your forum! Im excited about running my very first injectable, real gear cycle in about 10-12 weeks and i ask for everyone's help and guidance. Ill start with stats.

Age - 22
Height - 5 10
Weight - 190 Low BF
Bodytype - More towards ecto (I know, everyone CLAIMS to be ecto)

Years bodybuilding - 1.5. I feel as if i started off on the correct foot. I feel that from the get-go, i have been very rescourcful and hit internet forums etc hard to answer my question and to solidify my diet + training regimen. I feel as if i have a firm grip on what nutrition is and what it takes to gain muscle mass. My starting weight was roughly 140lbs, i naturally and cleanly bulked to 165.

Cycle history - I know my genetic gains were far from halting but anways, i started cycling 6 months ago. My steriod selections may have been a bit poor but i was appealed to them because of #1 legality #2 Cost #3 oral administration.
Cycle 1: Superdrol 3 weeks
Cycle 2: Phera-Plex + superdrol for 6 weeks (Weeks 1-4 PP weeks 4-6 SD)
My gains from these cycles have been very satisfactory but im also aware of the certain risks i take with oral steroids and am ready to stop taking these products altogether.
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Ok, here is my planned cycle, please rip me apart. My intention for this cycle is to bulk up and hopefully hit 210(or more!) without putting on too much fatty mass (or hopefully keep % the same)

Test Enanthate Wk 1-12 500mg/week
Phera-Plex Wk 1-4 15/15/20/30 (Liked PP actually. Gotta finish off my bottle)
Nolvadex wk 1-12 10mg/day

Ancillaries: Hawthorn berries, Milk thistle, taurine, multi-v, anti-oxidants.

PCT starts week 14
Clomid (first time ever using this product) day1=300mg Day2-11=100mg Day12-21=50mg (thanks Ron).

Nolvadex 40/40/20/20 might run for a little longer at low dosages till im ready to hump again.

*Looking into HCG* please help me out here.

A few questions:
Inject 500mg once a week or 250mg twice a week?
Would you reccomend any other product to run with this? An AI perhaps?
I would like to finish off my Phera-Plex, is it a foolish idea to kickstart my cycle with PP?
What should my Nolvadex dosage be at during weeks 12-14 (test will still be in system)?

Be warned, im sure i will think of more questions. Please feel free to take shots at my cycle and dont hesitate to reccomend any changes to it. Im very open to opinions and realize that you can never do enough research.

Thanks!

[Timm1704]

i dont know a thing about Phere-Plex, so wont comment on that side of things.

id say you would be better off jabbing 250mg test 2 x per week, i dont believe it makes a massive amount of difference, but it will likely keep the blood levels steadier than taking all at once, meaning less side effects

as for the nolvadex, 20-40mg ED should be fine. maybe whilst running the clomid at 100mg ED, take 40mg ED, then as you drop to 50mg, drop the nolvadex to 20mg ED

with the 500mg test a week, me personally wouldnt bother running an anti-estrogen, but like mentioned i dont know about phera-plex, so maybe take something like proviron (25-50mg ED) or arimidex (0.5mg ED) forthose first 6 weeks. if you are particularly prone to gyno symptoms and bloat, keep something on hand regardless for the whole course.

good luck bro, be safe and sensible with your injections, and you will no doubt enjoy your first 'real' cycle

[boxingbean]

jsut test e alone...like stated above...250mgx2 a week...try monday at a time in the am...then thursday at same time in pm

[zaneisgreat]

Thanks very much guys. Any one else have any thoughts?

[zaneisgreat]

Im also thinking about cutting out PP and running D-Bol Week 1-4 instead. Either that or just run 1-12 of Enan only.

[robkesl]

like tim, i dont know anything about phera plex, so i wont comment,

i personally dont think you should be thinking of cycling now, with only 1.5 years of training, you can gain so much in the first 3-4 years, even if your diets not in total check but hey its your body.

id always suggest running some type of anti-estrogen through the whole cycle, even nolva at 10mgs per day.

i personally havent seen a difference between in splitting up the shots to two a week,

pct lines up good, i prefer what your doing with the clomid, but if you do get the vision disturbances, then maybe something more subtle would be better, i just had a talk with someone about this, 100mgs of clomid through out would work good.
the nolva at 20mgs through pct will be fine, and once you stop your pct, stop the nolva.

as for the hcg its an excellant pct helper if you can get it.

[Huckster]

You'll love the DBol, test E cycle.

I'm on the 3rd week of my first cycle and I chose the above for my first. Love the gains so far, feel so strong and hard.
Put me over the hump I was at. Big time strength and size gains.

Don't sweat the injections...

[zaneisgreat]

i personally dont think you should be thinking of cycling now, with only 1.5 years of training, you can gain so much in the first 3-4 years, even if your diets not in total check but hey its your body.

Yeah, it was kinda foolish starting cycles a year in. I think that at very least, i had my training + nutrition in check at the time. Its the dark side, returning to natural now would be difficult so i think i should be using gear that is clearly a lot less demanding on the body (liver especially). I appreciate your concern and can only say that you're right. I may sound big headed but at the same time i know i am not a lifting veteran or anything.

pct lines up good, i prefer what your doing with the clomid, but if you do get the vision disturbances, then maybe something more subtle would be better, i just had a talk with someone about this, 100mgs of clomid through out would work good.
the nolva at 20mgs through pct will be fine, and once you stop your pct, stop the nolva.

thanks. This will help me gauge and handle my side-effects better.

as for the hcg its an excellant pct helper if you can get it.

Yeah looking into this. I most def. cant afford any shrinkage hahaha. Actually, is there anything else HCG is used for besides keeping testicular size in check? Will running this help me keep more of my gains?

thanks again.

[robkesl]

its not that only that it keeps the size in check, it stimulates something in the testicles, i cant think of the name. it basically keeps them running, so they dont atrophy so by taking hcg throughout the cyle or right before pct, in your post cycle your testicles will already be in a way going, so its easier to get your test levels back to normal faster. if that made any sense.

[boxingbean]

do not run PP with test e, switch to the dbol for the first 4wks

[zaneisgreat]

K, i will probably run Dbol then. 4 weeks looks cheap $$ and promising.