critique my short cycles

[tonytone]

OK, so im really starting to get into this idea of short cycles..so far this is what i have come up with, but i do have a few questions..i have run tren 3 x before @ 75, 90, and 90
short cycle #1

day 1 240mg prop
200 mg tren a
50mg dbol

day 2-28 120mg prop ED
100mg tren a ED
50mg dbol ED
slin PWO throughout cycle, and no slin during time off
t3 50mcg throughout

cycle will be followed by 4 wks off
nolva throughout w proper clomid/nolva PCT along w clen
im planning to run hcg @ 500iu E3D for the last 2 wks of cycle

Questions:
i dont really want to try and stop the t3 btwn cycles, i would just like to run it all the way through for 3 short cycles (6 mos total)...so with this, i would be on t3 during my pct and time off..
*would taking some anavar during my time off (40-60mg ED) be a good idea to help to prevent t3 from becoming too catabolic?(and also be a good bridge)
*im thinking i should drop the t3 to 25mcg/day while off, good idea?
*im also thinking of doing day 1's doses on day 2 as well, just to really get a good frontload going, good idea?

cycles #2/3 will be the same as outlined above
THANKS

[tonytone]

bump

ALSO plan to run arimidex @ .5mg when on to combat dbol bloat

[AleX-69]

OK, so im really starting to get into this idea of short cycles..so far this is what i have come up with, but i do have a few questions..i have run tren 3 x before @ 75, 90, and 90
short cycle #1

day 1 240mg prop
200 mg tren a
50mg dbol

day 2-28 120mg prop ED
100mg tren a ED
50mg dbol ED
slin PWO throughout cycle, and no slin during time off
t3 50mcg throughout

Seems ok. Stop the injectables at day 26 to let them clear your system until day 29 when PCT starts.

cycle will be followed by 4 wks off
nolva throughout w proper clomid/nolva PCT along w clen
im planning to run hcg @ 500iu E3D for the last 2 wks of cycle

mhh. i don't know if 4 weeks of (including PCT i assume) is enough to recover completly. After all tren is rather supressive. I suppose after you have done all three cycles you will be severly surpessed! I personally never have stringed short cycles toghether like you are planning to and i belive marcus300 did not either. We want to completly recover b4 we jump back on.

Questions:
i dont really want to try and stop the t3 btwn cycles, i would just like to run it all the way through for 3 short cycles (6 mos total)...so with this, i would be on t3 during my pct and time off..

I am no T-3 expert by any means. But AFAIK SV-1 suggested only usingT-3 for shorter time periods to avoid possible permanent surpession. (and there are cases of permanent supression when using T-3!) So i would limit T-3 to the "on" periods.

*would taking some anavar during my time off (40-60mg ED) be a good idea to help to prevent t3 from becoming too catabolic?(and also be a good bridge)

Var is surpessive and therefore hindering your recovery. This defeats one purpose of short cycling - namely more rapid recovery.

*im thinking i should drop the t3 to 25mcg/day while off, good idea?

i wouldn't run T-3 alltogether during PCT

*im also thinking of doing day 1's doses on day 2 as well, just to really get a good frontload going, good idea?

I forntload on cycle day -1 and cycle day 0 (or day you might say day "1"). From then on i run normal dosages. I don't know if this will give u an significant advantage though.

[AleX-69]

bump

ALSO plan to run arimidex @ .5mg when on to combat dbol bloat

[briansauras]

if you run a mild anabolic such as var/winny it should be enough to prevent catabolism. I would say var is the safest route to go here. Also make sure your protein intake is high.

I also wouldnt frontload. I tried it and basically just wasted aas. Come on now they should be kicked in within a wk bro.

Have you ever ran short cycles before? what were your results? I was planning on a short one for lean mass.

[tonytone]

i wasnt planning to start pct on the day after last shot..i meant proper pct start time AFTER 28 days on

im thinking that the hcg during time on will help aid recovery, which is why i put time off @ 4wks..doing 5 wks off is cool w me

i think limiting t3 to while on would make it hard for my body to adjust in times off, leading to fat gain while off while thyroid tries to recover...hooker seems to think that one can be on t3 most of the year, and still recover fairly quickly...i plan to look up some studies of recovery after long term t3 usage

i know var is suppressive..some ppl like using it as a bridge..im still debating this issue..perhaps my first short cycle i will leave the var out (if i do end up running the t3 constantly), and if i feel i lost too much muscle during time off, perhaps i would try throwing in the var on the next go rounf

[tonytone]

if you run a mild anabolic such as var/winny it should be enough to prevent catabolism. I would say var is the safest route to go here. Also make sure your protein intake is high.

I also wouldnt frontload. I tried it and basically just wasted aas. Come on now they should be kicked in within a wk bro.

Have you ever ran short cycles before? what were your results? I was planning on a short one for lean mass.

no, never ran any short cycles...hence all my ?'s

[briansauras]

no, never ran any short cycles...hence all my ?'s

personally if I was going to run a short cycle it would prolly be with a gram of prop and 700mg tren with like 150-200mg winny.

My next lean mass Im planning on 10wks of 700 prop/tren with some oral.

[tonytone]

personally if I was going to run a short cycle it would prolly be with a gram of prop and 700mg tren with like 150-200mg winny.

My next lean mass Im planning on 10wks of 700 prop/tren with some oral.

do var for your oral...8wks @ 80mg ED

[AleX-69]

i wasnt planning to start pct on the day after last shot..i meant proper pct start time AFTER 28 days on

you are 28days on if you stop injectables at day 26. They stay in you system 2 more days, there is no doubt about that. The d-bol can be run till cycle day 28. But its all personal preference. This won't make a dramatic difference.

im thinking that the hcg during time on will help aid recovery, which is why i put time off @ 4wks..doing 5 wks off is cool w me

i would opt for 5 weeks then. But listen to your body. If you are not recovered do yourself a favor and stay off until you are.

i think limiting t3 to while on would make it hard for my body to adjust in times off, leading to fat gain while off while thyroid tries to recover...hooker seems to think that one can be on t3 most of the year, and still recover fairly quickly...i plan to look up some studies of recovery after long term t3 usage

Why risk fvcking up your thyorid anyway? Want to loose BF? I mean you are running clen and tren, throw in some cardio and tweak your nutrition a bit and you should be shredded in no time. I know hookers article about T-3, but honestly i don't agree as anecdotal evidence tells me more than studies. And i do in fact know one person who is dependend on T-3/T-4 for the rest of her life due to T-3 abuse.

i know var is suppressive..some ppl like using it as a bridge..im still debating this issue..perhaps my first short cycle i will leave the var out (if i do end up running the t3 constantly), and if i feel i lost too much muscle during time off, perhaps i would try throwing in the var on the next go rounf

as stated above i would leave it out.

[tonytone]

what i meant was 28 days worth of shots, then proper pct...but that's neither here nor there

doing 5 wks off is no big deal, but im experienced and know when im fully recovered, so that will be my basis

i guess the t3 issue is the biggest here...im certainly still on the fence about it..i just think if i only run it while on, the time off will greatly affect me, to the point where it would probobly be best to just not run it at all

var..if i dont use t3, then i wont use var..if i do use t3, it will be while on and while off, in which case i will probobly try the var while off...and my recovery status will be determined w blood tests to see if the var is taking that big of a toll on recovery

THANKS alex, your views and opinions are valuable to me on this topic

[AleX-69]

what i meant was 28 days worth of shots, then proper pct...but that's neither here nor there

doing 5 wks off is no big deal, but im experienced and know when im fully recovered, so that will be my basis

i guess the t3 issue is the biggest here...im certainly still on the fence about it..i just think if i only run it while on, the time off will greatly affect me, to the point where it would probobly be best to just not run it at all

var..if i dont use t3, then i wont use var..if i do use t3, it will be while on and while off, in which case i will probobly try the var while off...and my recovery status will be determined w blood tests to see if the var is taking that big of a toll on recovery

THANKS alex, your views and opinions are valuable to me on this topic

Bolds and thanks. Aprecciated.

[briansauras]

do var for your oral...8wks @ 80mg ED

I might depending on how 100mg winny treats me this time. Ive heard nothing but good things about winny @ 200mg ed

[tonytone]

bump for more opinions

[tonytone]

no more opinions?

[AleX-69]

try to pm marcus300 to take a look at this thread.