Clen/T3 cycle question

**kynetguy** · 07-31-2006, 01:33 PM

I am in the process of researching to see what cycle I want to run for my first cycle. I wanted some opinions from the Vets. If I am an idiot, by all means, point it out. (I know you will, in the past few months of lurking before registering, I have seen you all do it.

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I am still working out natural right now with whey and well, I am working on the diet. Back in my younger days I worked out religeously. Now, at 35 and about 5 years off, I have let myself get out of shape. I have been working out now for about 6 months. I do MWF upper body/cardio and Tues/Thurs lower body. My cardio usually is done in the morning (before breakfast to maximize fat burning potential) and consists of either swimming laps, treadmill or cycling. . .depending on my mood. I like to mix it up.)

I weigh 211 with about 20%BF (yea, I have love handles)
I am 5'10"
I have never taken AAS before, but at 35. . .I need a boost.

I would like to get my BF down to about 15% or less before I do a cycle. I was looking to try a couple Clen /T3 cycles -- 2wk on/ 2 off, rinse repeat.

I know this is usually used during PCT for the anti-catabolic effects. But I also understand that it is used for the fatburning benefits too. Which the fat burning process is what I was looking at, a little aid along with my diet and cardio. In my life its sometimes difficult to have a perfect diet, though I try my best.

I see where AR has a Clen/T3 combo. From what I have read about the Clen, I think I will dose it as follows for my first cycle:

Day1: 20mcg
Day2: 40mcg
Day3: 60mcg
Day4: 80mcg
Day5: 80mcg
Day6-12: 100mcg
Day13: 80 mcg
Day14: 60 mcg
Day15: off

On my second run, I might taper up to 120-140mcg if its tolerable.

How do I dose the T3 with this? Is there anything else I need to take along with it?

So my plan is this:

1-2: Clen/T3 Cycle
3-4: Nothing
5-6: Clen/T3
7-10: Test Cyp - 400mg/wk
Deca - 400mg/wk
D-bol - 40mg/Day
11-16: Test Cyp - 400mg/wk
Deca - 400mg/wk
17: Test Cyp - 400mg/wk
18-19: nothing (just the Nolvadex listed below)
20-22: Clomid (100mg First 10 days, 50mg for the remainder)
Clen/T3 -Cycle (weeks 20 and 21)

Nolvadex will be taken starting at 10mg/day at the beginning of week 7, if I have gyno signs, I will up to 20mg.

I had considered extending the Test Cyp 3 weeks or four to taper off, 300/wk. then 200/wk and finally 100/wk in hopes of returning to homeostasis a little easier with less sides. Dumb?

So vets, please critique my research and thoughts. Dont worry about complicated doses, I have no problems calculating dosages. I am a paramedic of 15 years, I am needle friendly. ;-)

**robkesl** · 07-31-2006, 01:43 PM

with only 6 months training from being off for 5 years, your bodys not ready for aas,
and id suggest you get your bf% down to under 15%
and i dont personally dont think your going to see anything with the clen . it helps but its not a miracle drug, i know looking at hookers profiles it looks like it. but diet and cardio = ultimate fat loss.

sorry im sure its not what you want to hear.

**briansauras** · 07-31-2006, 02:35 PM

Run the the clen /t3 for 6wks. You can either use clen 2wks on/off or for the entire 6wks with benedryl every 3rd wk. Taper the t3 up by 25mcg a day until you hit your desired dose. There is no need to taper off of it. There is also no need to taper off of cyp.
It is up to you when you want to run t3/clen you can run it for the first 6wks while the dbol is active or wait until the cyp is kicked in. Personally I would do this
wk1-PCT 0.25-0.5mg letro
wk1-5 40mg dbol ED
wk1-13 400mg cyp EW
wk1-12 300-400mg deca EW
wk6-11 t3 tapered up to deisred dose
wk6-11(2wks on/off or ben every 3rd wk),16-17 clen
wk16-19 100mg clomid ED
wk16-until feel recovered 20mg nolva ED

**kynetguy** · 07-31-2006, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by robkesl

with only 6 months training from being off for 5 years, your bodys not ready for aas,
and id suggest you get your bf% down to under 15%
and i dont personally dont think your going to see anything with the clen . it helps but its not a miracle drug, i know looking at hookers profiles it looks like it. but diet and cardio = ultimate fat loss.

sorry im sure its not what you want to hear.

Honestly, I wasn't wanting to hear anything inparticular. Just truth, expirience and options.

And as I said in my post (sorry so long) I do want to get to 15% or less BF before cycling. I am just trying to get prepared for the cycle. I am still checking out sources right now. A couple bros are going to hook me up, but their source won't provide gear to just anyone. You know how that is I am sure.

So yes, I agree, I am not ready for AAS just yet. My goal is to be ready by Oct/Nov to start my cycle so I can emerge from winter hibernation about april/may with some noticable mass and definition for boating season. :-) By then I will be done with my PCT and my endocrine system back on some sort of normally functioning level and if I have any bloating, be rid of that.

Of course I realize that Clen alone is not going to miracle my BF down to 15%. I am just looking for an EFFECTIVE boost that combined with some dietary changes and some good old fashioned cardio will provide noticable results.

Maybe Clen is not the right answer and I should be looking at something else?

**kynetguy** · 07-31-2006, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by briansauras

Run the the clen /t3 for 6wks. You can either use clen 2wks on/off or for the entire 6wks with benedryl every 3rd wk. Taper the t3 up by 25mcg a day until you hit your desired dose. There is no need to taper off of it. There is also no need to taper off of cyp.
It is up to you when you want to run t3/clen you can run it for the first 6wks while the dbol is active or wait until the cyp is kicked in. Personally I would do this
wk1-PCT 0.25-0.5mg letro
wk1-5 40mg dbol ED
wk1-13 400mg cyp EW
wk1-12 300-400mg deca EW
wk6-11 t3 tapered up to deisred dose
wk6-11(2wks on/off or ben every 3rd wk),16-17 clen
wk16-19 100mg clomid ED
wk16-until feel recovered 20mg nolva ED

Part of what I am looking for is recommended doses of T3. I could find lots of Clen dosing info, but not T3.

Do you not think that the Nolva ED through the cyp/deca/dbol cycle is needed? You have it at the end duing PCT/clomid and not throughout the cycle.

**briansauras** · 07-31-2006, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by kynetguy

Part of what I am looking for is recommended doses of T3. I could find lots of Clen dosing info, but not T3.

Do you not think that the Nolva ED through the cyp/deca/dbol cycle is needed? You have it at the end duing PCT/clomid and not throughout the cycle.

Letro is far better then nolva for combating estrogen/staying dry. I heard of people still getting gyno while using nolva ED. I use letro throughout and
nolva for pct.

As far as a t3 dose I think 100mcg is a good dose. Anything higher then that and t3 can become very catabolic. Start at 50mcg and taper up to 100mcg using 25mcg incriment. Im on wk 2 of 100mcg t3/150mcg clen(I wouldnt go over 125mcg unless you have used clen before and know your tolerance). Ive only been at 100mcg for a wk and Ive lost 15lbs. There is another method where you figure out how much to use going by 1mcg per bw. So if you weighed 200lbs you could run 125mcg clen and 75mcg t3.