TEST-E / TREN -E cycle,what do you think?

[cmillett]

present stats,5'7'' 208 6years of on and off use.

wks 1-10 test e @625mg wkly
wks 1-10 tren e @500mg wkly
wks 1-15 nolvadex @20mg ed
wks 12-15 clomid

let me know what you all think ,thie cycle will be used for a powerlifting meet.

[Merc..]

The test needs to be run two wk longer than the tren... Also nolva raises RgR in breast tissue and gives tren metoblites more to bind to increasing the chance of getting gyno so i would drop the nolva.. I would use letro when using a 19 nor like tren because it has been shown to reduce progesterone receptors .. Could also go longer on your cycle since using longer acting esters( it can take 5wk or so for them to kick in) Also clomid only pct might not be the best idea. Check out hookers pct as I find it the best . His protocol has helped me to recover faster than anything else I have tried... Here is a link to it..

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758

[Merc..]

Did you start this already ???

[cmillett]

does this look any better?
wks 1-12 test at 625mg
wks 1-10 tren-e at500mg
wks 1-12 letro at .25 ed
wks 13-18 nolvadex at 20mg ed

[cmillett]

bump

[cmillett]

Did you start this already ???

no not yet,if I do it will be in a week

[D-Money]

I would stop the tren at 8 weeks, and run the test e for 10-11wks.

[cmillett]

I would stop the tren at 8 weeks, and run the test e for 10-11wks.

Why do you suggest that,is tren at 10 wks too long? and what do you think my pct looks like ?the reason I'm asking all of this is that I've never run tren before,oh and one more thing if I'm only going to run the tren at 8 wks what nolva be enough instead of letro?

[Bigmax]

I would stop the tren at 8 weeks, and run the test e for 10-11wks.

Guy if you're going to give advise at least explain why...cause he is no better off than when he first asked!!!....The cycle is right on bro...go for it and let us know how it goes.

[JiGGaMaN]

your cycle was fine the way it was. test has to be run a week longer????? says who??? only thing i would consider adding would be an oral or short acting hormone run two weeks longer than the test/tren while waiting for the esters to clear. prop or any oral would be a good choice.

[cmillett]

Thanks bro's for the last 2 posts so this is what I'll do,
wks 1-10 test-e at 625mg
wks 1-10 tren-e at 500mg
wks 8-12 halo at 40mg ed
wks12-17 pct nolva/clomid for the first 3 wks
now so far as treatments will I be alright running nolva at 20mgs ed and just have letro on hand or should I go ahead and start the the letro at .25mg ED,the reason I ask is that I read several times its good to have a little estrogen in your system to get the biggest gains from tren.

[Bigmax]

yes it is good to have little estrogen ..but you couldve done that by priming(diet) your body for the cycle.

[cmillett]

yes it is good to have little estrogen ..but you couldve done that by priming(diet) your body for the cycle.

If you mean cutting weight,I'm at 8-10% right now,besides that this cycle will be used for a power meet,please if you have anymore suggestions let me here them ,because you and jigga are the only 2 that have really been helping so far.

[Merc..]

your cycle was fine the way it was. test has to be run a week longer????? says who??? only thing i would consider adding would be an oral or short acting hormone run two weeks longer than the test/tren while waiting for the esters to clear. prop or any oral would be a good choice.

Most people around here run test longer than the 19 nor becuase 19nor seem to linger around. Running it a bit longer also makes recovery eaiser...

[Merc..]

I will say it again nolva is not a smart idea when using tren . It increases PgR and can make your chances of getting gyno worse.. There are also studies that show using nolva with a third genaration AI like letro can reduce it affects. Nothing is set in stone on this as there are many conflicting studys on that topic ..... But since I have been of no help whats the point of saying anything???

[cmillett]

Thanks ,I'll take that in consideration,do any of you disagree with the way I'm going to run the nolva and keep the letro on hand?

[cmillett]

its getting late so I'm going to hit the sack,please comment on my cycle. I'll be starting it in a week so any and all educational suggestions will be very appreciated,keep them comming guys.

[Merc..]

Thanks bro's for the last 2 posts so this is what I'll do,
wks 1-10 test-e at 625mg
wks 1-10 tren-e at 500mg
wks 8-12 halo at 40mg ed
wks12-17 pct nolva/clomid for the first 3 wks
now so far as treatments will I be alright running nolva at 20mgs ed and just have letro on hand or should I go ahead and start the the letro at .25mg ED,the reason I ask is that I read several times its good to have a little estrogen in your system to get the biggest gains from tren.

Yes esterogen is somewhat anabolic.. But keep in mind progesterone needs estrogen to cause gyno. So when running a progestin like tren it is best to keep esterogen levels in check so progesterone gyno does not become a concern.. Letro takes time to build a steady blood plasma level this is the reason most start it 2 wks prior to starting there cycle...

[BajanBastard]

Take the advice mercedesdd has given. Drop the nolva, get letrozole and run the testosterone at least 2 weeks longer than the tren. Trens metabolites are anabolic and very suppressive. Jigga suggested you get an oral or short acting injectable to finish off the cycle i think that's a good idea as well. Test prop or winny would be good options.

[cmillett]

Take the advice mercedesdd has given. Drop the nolva, get letrozole and run the testosterone at least 2 weeks longer than the tren. Trens metabolites are anabolic and very suppressive. Jigga suggested you get an oral or short acting injectable to finish off the cycle i think that's a good idea as well. Test prop or winny would be good options.

Thanks thats just what I'll do,I've got some halo and var on hand ,I'll probably run the halo the last 4-6 wks,thanks fror all the help guys and you to
Mercedesdd,didn't mean to leave you out of the LOL you been alot of help also.

[Merc..]

Thanks thats just what I'll do,I've got some halo and var on hand ,I'll probably run the halo the last 4-6 wks,thanks fror all the help guys and you to
Mercedesdd,didn't mean to leave you out of the LOL you been alot of help also.

LOL!!!!!!

[cmillett]

LOL!!!!!!

I'm meant leave you out,LOL don't know where I got the out of ,I guess the late hrs were catching up with me.But anyhow this should be right,
wks1-10 test-e at 625mg wkly
wks1-10 tren-e at 500mg wkly
wks8-11 halo at 20-mg ED
wks1-11 letro at .25mg ED
wks12-17 nolva at 20mg ED
wks12-14 clomid

That should be right on please correct me if I'm wrong.