newbbie needs serious help

[hardloser]

hey everyone i am hard loser new to the site. i just got off the phone with the hrt company and everything is good except my growth hormone level is low 181 to be exact was told normal average for 30 is 227. also my test level is 330 and i understand that the norm for 30 is 597 to 660 if i rememeber correctly. so i ordered 8 weeks of winny. i cannot affor to gain size and weight right now due to mil regs and standard. i know the winny will cut and increase strength and endurance. the dosage is 20 mg a day for the 8 weeks and suggestions on upping the dosage and cutting the cycle to 6 weeks? also if anyone is willing to be a coach or mentor so i can get the maximum result and answer questions i have it would greatly be appreciated. let me make it clear i am not looking for a source for juice just a source of guidance on cycles.

[Bigmax]

Hey bro welcome to the site...I saw your thread and where goose was giving advise the the winstrol ...I am a bit confused on your post you said you said you were good to go...what happened??...here's the thing bro..if your test is below average taking winny can have an effect on it as well.Winstrol has been known to suppress hpta...oh yeah you did say its your first cycle...its not written stone but ...in your case I would go with some test....what the outcome of test will depend on your diet...you can cut on test aswell.

[Maldorf]

Not sure why you went with winstrol . You can get even leaner by using testosterone too if your diet is good. Like bigmax said, taking the winstrol will lower your natural test levels even more. You should be using a low dose of test, and since you already ordered the winstrol you could throw that in too. Being first cycle and all, I would start out using just 250mg test enanthate or cypionate per week. You could run it up to 500 mg/wk. Most effective cycles with that would run a minimum of 8 weeks or more.

[hardloser]

i went with the winny for its cutting effects and the effects it has had on proffessional atheletes. what do you think about the test gel and because i am in military i really cant afford to get any bigger than i already am. im 250 31% bf by the way they measure other tests have put me at 29% i lift and do cardio 6 days a week consume a high protein diet low carbs and even keep my calories around 1800 daily and somehow gained 20 lbs in 10 days. thanks for the welcome big max aand maldorf

[Duke of Earl]

winny won't cut you - diet & cardio will, so something must be off with your diet or workout

I'd keep it simple like bigmax says & do say 400mg Test E ew ( or better still prop ED if you can handle it ) with an AI to keep any water off & since you already have it, i'd chuck the winny in at the end.

IMO at 30% bf you should prolly be looking more in the direction of ECA / ECY / Clen / T3 / DNP territory rather than AAS ( or at least a combination of the two ) along with cardio of course.

good luck

[Bigmax]

Ok bro...we need to go to your diet cause 31%BF is not a good base to use AAS...Post your diet at the diet forum and w'll take alook at it.

[hardloser]

ok diet is posted in fitness forum diet questions