Rate my cycle

[michaelmotorcycle]

What do u guys think of this cycle. I think i am gonna run this cycle, but i am open to suggestions. i am looking to gain 8-10lb and drop my bf to 8-10%

weeks 1-12 75mg Test prop ed
Weeks 1-8 50 mg tren ed
weeks 8-12 80mg winny ed
then pct

my stats: 5'6" 165lb 13%bf
i have done 1.5 cycles (got injured had to stop second cycle half way thru) so this will be my second compleat cycle.... i know lot of people are gonna tell me that tren is not good for biggeners (but i like tren, it gets me pumped)

[michaelmotorcycle]

bump

[tonytone]

i would run the winny for 6 wks on the end of that cycle

so you did tren in one of your previous cycles?

[michaelmotorcycle]

i would run the winny for 6 wks on the end of that cycle

so you did tren in one of your previous cycles?

yes i did do tren befor... u said to keep the winny for 6 weeks, should i keep doing with the test till week 14 then?

[SMAN12b]

Don't think you are ready for Tren yet mike!!!

[michaelmotorcycle]

Don't think you are ready for Tren yet mike!!!

i very much repect your opinion, and i know you have much more experince then me, but i would like to know why sman?

[michaelmotorcycle]

what would you recomand, to atchive the gians i am aiming for??

[Swifto]

what would you recomand, to atchive the gians i am aiming for??

Less toxic androgens considering your cycle experience.

[michaelmotorcycle]

Less toxic androgens considering your cycle experience.

so i should keep the winny and the test p, right?.... but what should i substitude the tren with? or should i just drop the tren and not sub it with anything els????

[SMAN12b]

Tren is pretty heavy and has lots of sides to deal with. if you are only looking for 8-10 pounds, I would just do test or test/deca and have the right diet.

[michaelmotorcycle]

Tren is pretty heavy and has lots of sides to deal with. if you are only looking for 8-10 pounds, I would just do test or test/deca and have the right diet.

should i still keep the winny in there?

[Bigmax]

you can gain on the test alone bro...but you can also use test E so you wont feel like a pin cusion.

[Swifto]

I'd suggest:

wk 1-12 Test Prop 75mg/ED
wk 1-6 Tbol 50mg/ED (Adjust the dose compraing gains/sides)
wk 6-12 Winstrol 50-75mg/ED

Yes...I know, I know. Oral for 12 weeks. I think this is ok to do, but BLOODWORK is essential IMO. Once at the 5 weeks mark. And again at the week 10 mark. Depending how you liver values are, it will determine if the orals are to continue or not.

[michaelmotorcycle]

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[michaelmotorcycle]

thanks for the advice swifto, u guys are great

[michaelmotorcycle]

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[Swifto]

Dropping the bodyfat % you want and adding the muscle will depend greatly on your diet.