Second cycle opinions

[nate4796]

Hello, I just finished my first cycle or test cyp 400mg x 12weeks. I was looking into starting my second cycle in probably december or january but was going to try and get my gear early. What do you guys think of this?

Week 1 to 10: 400mg of EQ weekly
Week 1 to 10: 500mg TEST weekly
PCT
wk 1 to 13: 10mg Nolvadex daily
wk 13 - 40mg Nolvadex+100mg Clomid daily
wk 14 - 30mg Nolvadex+ 50mg Clomid daily
wk 15 - 20mg Nolvadex+ 50mg Clomid daily

Also if this seems good how do you think i should split up the injections? With the test cyp i did one shot a week and i have read that with EQ i should do 200 twice a week. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[01dragonslayer]

IMO I would bump the test to 12wks and the EQ to 11......bump your PCT accordingly.

[Swifto]

Goals?

[Bigmax]

It looks ok,however I agree with slayer to lengthen it a few weeks,,,you should get the full benefit of the eq by then....and yes 200mgs twice a week on the eq.

[nate4796]

My goals are to just put on soome more size and strength for now. If i were to add 2 weeks to the test and 1 to the eq, for the PCT should i just add 2 more weeks ok 40mg Nolvadex+100mg Clomid diaily for weeks 14 and 15?

[Swifto]

Why not a single estered Testosterone + an oral for the first 4-6 weeks to kickkstart?

[nate4796]

Well as far as far as gains that i will make and keep would there be a big difference between the test eq cycle vs something like 500 test cyp x 12 weeks with something like 40 or 60mg dbol for the first 4-6 weeks?

[nate4796]

By the way in the test eq cycle i would be using test enanthate

[godkilla]

i would run it 12-14 wks and shoot the test 2xweek with the eq. pheednos pct also works very well, you would just need a little adex.

[nate4796]

Ok so this is what i decided on...

wk 1-13 400mg EQ
wk 1-14 500mg Test Enanthate
PCT
wk 1-16 10mg nolva ED
wk 17 40mg nolva ED + 300mg Clomid day 1 and 100mg ED after
wk 18 30mg nolva ED + 100mg Clomid day 1-4 and 50mg ED after
wk 19 20mg nolva ED + 50mg Clomid ED

What do you think? Any tweaks?? Again this is my second cycle. Opions are greatly appreciated!!

Also i am going to split the EQ into bi-weekly injections, what about the test?

[Bigmax]

go for it ...for only your second cycle it looks fine to me...good luck and let us know how you do.

[nate4796]

Should i do the test bi-weekly or all at once? And the nolva looks fine? I was considering 20mg ED but i didnt have any gyno sides or anything on my first cycle.

[Liftnainez]

Ok so this is what i decided on...

wk 1-13 400mg EQ
wk 1-14 500mg Test Enanthate
PCT
wk 1-16 10mg nolva ED
wk 17 40mg nolva ED + 300mg Clomid day 1 and 100mg ED after
wk 18 30mg nolva ED + 100mg Clomid day 1-4 and 50mg ED after
wk 19 20mg nolva ED + 50mg Clomid ED

What do you think? Any tweaks?? Again this is my second cycle. Opions are greatly appreciated!!

Also i am going to split the EQ into bi-weekly injections, what about the test?

First- drop the nolva.. if you want use an AI such as adex or aromasin
Second- I dont use clomid, but I guess some ppl use it with success.. thats your choice.. I think proviron, trib, adex or aromasin and somce creatine would be better.. you could even use hcg but you may not need it
third- split the test into bi weekly injections as well.. you could add both compounds and inject at the same time..

[nate4796]

If i decide ot use adex and drop the nolva how should i work that into the cycle?

[Liftnainez]

I dont undertstand what your asking? Please rephrase..

[nate4796]

You said drop the nolva from the cycle, If i lose the nolva but stick with the clomid how i have it listed how should i incorporate the adex into the cycle? I am def usiong clomid because i already have this and im not too familiar with the other PCT meds aside from nolva.

[Liftnainez]

I am sorry- maybe I didnt clearly state things.. I meant drop the nolva for the duration of you actual cycle.. not pct.. you can use the nolva during the pct..

[Liftnainez]

you could use clomid/nolva for your pct.. just thing it would be better to only run adex throughout the actual cycle...

[nate4796]

One last thing, with clomid, ive read alot about sides (vision problems, depression, acne) How common are these sides? Does the acne go away? Ive seen HCG as an alternative to clomid? whats the comparison as far as keeping gains, sides, and getting my test levels back to normal?

[Liftnainez]

One last thing, with clomid, ive read alot about sides (vision problems, depression, acne) How common are these sides? Does the acne go away? Ive seen HCG as an alternative to clomid? whats the comparison as far as keeping gains, sides, and getting my test levels back to normal?

thats the exact reason I told you I dont use clomid.. some of these problems can be permanent.. such risks I am not willing to take.. some people get sides some dont.. all depends on the individual.. and yes ppl do use HCG to bring back size of testicles..