Quick Lowdown........

**Columbus** · 08-02-2006, 12:47 PM

I have had low test all my life (the doc thinks) did a few stupid really stupid cycles in college with no pct that didn't help. Then my doc put me on androderm about a year ago, weened me off and did nothing else. So, I'm prety sure I am shut down.

My "hardons" are bare to nil. I have no ejacualtion sperm, and coupled withmy intense triathelet training that I am now getting away from, let's just say I have wrecked havoc on my levels. SOOOO....I need to do this on my own. A good cycle. Get me flowing again, do a very good proper PCT and then go get tested. Does this sound ideal? Gain some weight, strength etc and roll with it....would you do a cycle (mild) with like 300mg of test and 400mg of eq......for 10 weeks or would u do a self hrt of 200mg week.

FINAL QUESTION...If I was put on a mass diet around 4,300 cals....a far cry from my previous 2,500 cals, would having low test have any result on fat gain if I am training balls out every session? Point....does low testosteron = fat gains?

**Swifto** · 08-02-2006, 02:40 PM

Contact "Oasis" about TRT/HRT if you have low testosterone levels . Having low testosteorne levels can have many sides effects, physical and mental.

Above this post.

BG · 08-02-2006, 02:53 PM

HRT changed my life for the better in so many ways.

**Columbus** · 08-02-2006, 03:02 PM

Just wondering if it might be a better idea for me to run a test cycle...get me p physically and mentally, do a pct then get tested...if Im still low, I'll go the HRT way...

**Columbus** · 08-02-2006, 03:04 PM

how many cycles and pct did u try before hrt?

**cfiler** · 08-02-2006, 03:18 PM

A HRT program whould be perfect for you. I'd contact either a specialist in your area, or Oasis.

**Columbus** · 08-02-2006, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Columbus

Just wondering if it might be a better idea for me to run a test cycle...get me p physically and mentally, do a pct then get tested...if Im still low, I'll go the HRT way...

THIS FIRST??? HRT IS FOREVER!!!!!!!!!

**stitch1967** · 08-02-2006, 03:59 PM

If I were you I'd run a cycle first...Your either already shutdown or HRT will for sure shutdown any natty you may have left...why not hit a cycle first...then basically if natty levels don't come back (which is very likely) just do HRT and cruise between cycles...I see a lot of guys on this board doing just that...I'm sure one these bros can give you some advice in this arena...JMHO

**Columbus** · 08-02-2006, 04:24 PM

i think i might be ok after a pct.....thnx bro

**Columbus** · 08-02-2006, 07:25 PM

my diet is right...my diet is well constrcted. Think of it as 4,000 cals and someone like me gets weary...think of the avg. fat sedetary person, they have no idea what they eat and I'm sure it's close and a bunch of shit...my diet is 99% clean...how can it be detremental? I may swing a small test cycle if I can stay on this diet to a tee for awhile FIRST....I gained a good 3lbs the first week then started reading shit about fat storage and low test...that is what brought me down
When I do a small cycle , say for 10 weeks, pct, rest then tested by doc...what should I do?

300mg test/wk and 400mg eq divided into 2 doses a week....what

BG · 08-02-2006, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by Columbus

how many cycles and pct did u try before hrt?

I waited until after 3 times, Im 32 , like you I had low levels for awhile, ran a few cycles close to each other then cruise with TRT and GH.My last cycle I did 1 month of pct, got levels , enzymes checked then started.BG

**jvjacked** · 08-02-2006, 09:06 PM

why not try running just a pct.... it may help your test levels rebound

**Columbus** · 08-03-2006, 06:15 AM

Exactly, but I want to feel better and start making gains. Whch isnt possible with my low test. So, if I run a small cycle and the a proper pct, wouldnt this be a solid strategy? Then get tested to see if I am restarted or not. Appreciate your input, just don't want to damage myself for life. THinking about 300mg/test and 400mg eq for 10 weeks.....prop and cyp....would this work?

**Columbus** · 08-03-2006, 08:36 AM

Looking at one cc a week...250mg for 10 weeks is what I will do, followed by a pct and then retested.....critiques? Thoughts?

**spywizard** · 08-03-2006, 09:51 AM

i will take another approach..

get tested, so you have a base line..

run a full pct including start it with 1 week of 500mg HCG the 1st week, then 50mg clomid for 4 weeks, 20mg nolva for 4 weeks..

get tested again.. and then we will go from there..

**Columbus** · 08-03-2006, 10:15 AM

I know my levels are low now...so I am running a low dose at 250mg for 10 weeks.....then a proper pct....then retested. If I am still shut down, I will explain my situation, explain that he had me on androderm as well with no pct protocol and to refer me to an endo...I just hope after pct, I will rebound

50mg clomid and 500mg of hcg 5 weeks

nolva during.......

**stitch1967** · 08-03-2006, 11:52 AM

250 mg of test/wk is not much more than HRT....I have always understood that for a cycle 400 mg/wk is minimum....

As far as PCT...if you do a search you'll find very good examples (with and without HCG )