my friends first cycle

[tiger909]

: week 1-12 test e 250mg twice a week
: week 1-4 winni 50mg/day
: week 1-12 nolva (anti-e) 10mg/day
: week 14-16 clomid 20 mg/day

6'1
210lbs
15%BF

hows it look?

[Kale]

Take out the winny and start the clomid in wk 14 not 12. What does 250mg 2wk mean ?

[tiger909]

i mean take 250 mg twice a week aka 500mg/week


is it absolutley necassary to take out the winni, my friends pretty experiecnced in the gym

[tiger909]

and clomid is 14-16 i meant

[Kale]

i mean take 250 mg twice a week aka 500mg/week


is it absolutley necassary to take out the winni, my friends pretty experiecnced in the gym

So what, he isnt expereinced with steroids I presume seeing as how this is his first cycle. The idea of only running Test on your first cycle is to see how you react to it. If you run both compounds and you get sides you wont know which compound is causing the sides. For example I ran dbol on my second cycle and got bad gyno sides from it. If I had run it on my first cycle with Test I wouldnt have know what caused the problem. Apart from the I think if Winny is used at all it is better at the end of a cycle than at the beginning

[tiger909]

hmm u sound correct and if he starts feeling side affects after takin the winny durin the last 4 weeks than he knows wats hurtin em...but what would help him with a cycle boost durin the first 4 weeks...? and no hes done a lot of research its just he's finally convinced to take them now after lookin over it for months....how does the pct look

[briansauras]

: week 1-12 test e 250mg twice a week
: week 1-4 winni 50mg/day
: week 1-12 nolva (anti-e) 10mg/day
: week 14-16 clomid 20 mg/day

6'1
210lbs
15%BF

hows it look?

take clomid @ 100mg for 30days along with 20mg nolva ED
1-14 .25-.5mg letro ED

if he must run winny run it for the last 4-6wks right up until PCT.

[tiger909]

wat about the side effects ull get from clomid if u run if for 14 weeks

[tiger909]

should i suggest him to go wit var?

[Hunter]

should i suggest him to go wit var?

No you should suggest that he uses only test. If you use more then one compound he will not know which one is causing the side effects. Lots of people use a oral during there first cycle but I wouldn't advise it. If he has a good base and his diet and training are in order he will have great gains off a test only cycle.

[Liftnainez]

bro he can add the winny.. tell him to put it at the end of the cycle if he is really worried..

[tiger909]

so the last 4 weeks 50mg ed is good for em?

[briansauras]

so the last 4 weeks 50mg ed is good for em?

last 5-6 up to pct.

dont run clomid for 14wks. use it for the first 30days of pct

[boxingbean]

i mean take 250 mg twice a week aka 500mg/week


is it absolutley necassary to take out the winni, my friends pretty experiecnced in the gym

haha put the winny at the end then...

[boxingbean]

so, he wants to lean bulk, then lean, then bulk???? makes no sense

u bulk THEN lean the bulk...looks n feels better IMO

test/winny/pct