High Liver Values From Bloodwork!!!

**Smak** · 08-12-2006, 12:10 AM

Hey everyone.

I just got my blood test results back.

Everything was fine except for my liver aka SGOT which was 122.

The normal range says (0-37) IU/L

I just finished up a 10 week var/proviron cycle at 40mg ED var/25mg proviron.

Has anyone had their liver values this high before?

I'm worried!!

I'm currently taking Milk Thistle and drinking lots of water.

It goes to show you that even a mild, steroid like VAR can fuk up your liver values.

Any input welcome.

Thanks.

**Smak** · 08-12-2006, 12:17 AM

BTW here's everything i'm currently taking.

CEE 1 scoop POST Workout.
1mg Finasteride.
500mg Milk Thistle
50mg Proviron .
1 Multi-Vitamin

**guest589745** · 08-12-2006, 12:31 AM

Im takin 1g thistle and my liver is fine, and Im on 100mg var ed, guess everyone is different.

**Smak** · 08-12-2006, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

Im takin 1g thistle and my liver is fine, and Im on 100mg var ed, guess everyone is different.

Sup dude.

Mine is 122. This is extremely high man.

I'm not even running var anymore.

What could it be from?

Have you got yours checked?

**guest589745** · 08-12-2006, 12:41 AM

yup, my cholesterol and BP were the only probs.

600mg deca
500mg cyp
40mg dbol 1-4
100mg var 6-14

in week 7

Probly from any orals. Just lay off and eat healthy until it returns to normal.

**guest589745** · 08-12-2006, 12:42 AM

what was the cycle?

**Smak** · 08-12-2006, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

what was the cycle?

40mg var ed for 10 weeks
25mg proviron for 7 weeks

and bumped up to 50mg proviron during PCT.

**twiney** · 08-12-2006, 07:18 AM

This is why orals should be taken around 4-5 weeks,it`s better to do a strong oral like Dbol for 4 weeks than to take Var for 10 weeks,your liver recovers much better in shorter cycles.

**Tommy Boy** · 08-12-2006, 08:05 AM

I took VAR on my last cycle. Last 3 weeks. I stopped early because the VAR,
(a supposed "mild" aas) caused more BP issues, insomnia, headaches, back pumps, etc., then I experienced with Dbol and Tbol. BUT, that's just me.

I will never use orals of any kind again. Var works great but for me it's not worth the sides, especially my liver. My Dr. did say that in time (90days)
and a clean diet, my values would most likely come down to the normal range.
The liver is one tough SOB, so be patient and redo bloodwork in 6 weeks or so.

**PhiNally** · 08-12-2006, 11:26 AM

Bump the milk thistle up to 1000 mg and wait another month or so and get blood tests done again.

**Ufa** · 08-12-2006, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Smak

Hey everyone.

I just got my blood test results back.

Everything was fine except for my liver aka SGOT which was 122.

The normal range says (0-37) IU/L

I just finished up a 10 week var/proviron cycle at 40mg ED var/25mg proviron.

Has anyone had their liver values this high before?

I'm worried!!

I'm currently taking Milk Thistle and drinking lots of water.

It goes to show you that even a mild, steroid like VAR can fuk up your liver values.

Any input welcome.

Thanks.

The liver is the most foregiving organ in the body. Stop and in a few weeks things will be much better.

I was wondering if you had any syptoms, sides, like dark urine, yellor skin,
bloodshot eyes, pain in stomach area?

I've been taking var for about 10 weeks.

**shortie** · 08-12-2006, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Smak

BTW here's everything i'm currently taking.

CEE 1 scoop POST Workout.
1mg Finasteride.
500mg Milk Thistle
50mg Proviron .
1 Multi-Vitamin

I see nothing real hepatotoxic here Smak, can you think of any other behaviors that might cause this? Also I would not get too in a panic, I would want this test replicated before worrying too much. Good luck and keep us posted.

**Smak** · 08-12-2006, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Ufa

The liver is the most foregiving organ in the body. Stop and in a few weeks things will be much better.

I was wondering if you had any syptoms, sides, like dark urine, yellor skin,
bloodshot eyes, pain in stomach area?

I've been taking var for about 10 weeks.

Hey man.

The only real sign I had was chronic fatigue.

I was tired all the time even after I took a nap.

No dark urine, jaundice, bloodshot eyes, and pain in stomach.

Occassionally my stomach would twitch a little.

**Smak** · 08-12-2006, 11:46 AM

I also drank a little bit on this cycle which probably wasn't the smartest thing.

Bumping the Milk Thistle to 1000g ed won't put more stress on it?

I've always been a big advocate of running Milk Thistle during my course of a cycle, but now I'm starting to beg differ?

**Smak** · 08-12-2006, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by shortie

I see nothing real hepatotoxic here Smak, can you think of any other behaviors that might cause this? Also I would not get too in a panic, I would want this test replicated before worrying too much. Good luck and keep us posted.

Cool thanks.

My dad told me I should drop everything i'm taking and get it checked out in a month.

He even told me to give up the Finasteride.

Would this be stressful on the liver?

**shortie** · 08-12-2006, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Smak

Cool thanks.

My dad told me I should drop everything i'm taking and get it checked out in a month.

He even told me to give up the Finasteride.

Would this be stressful on the liver?

For my .02 I would go get it re-tested with no changes in intake, labs make mistakes, there are fluctuations to contend with(although I would say your levels are beyond that of a normal fluctutation)and just errors in general. If it comes back still skewed dump every thing, even the super high protein intake we use, get some liv-52 continue with milk thislte and eat healthy with lots of cruciferous vegatables and trust your Dr.

**Hellmaskbanned** · 08-12-2006, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Smak

Hey man.

The only real sign I had was chronic fatigue.

I was tired all the time even after I took a nap.

No dark urine, jaundice, bloodshot eyes, and pain in stomach.

Occassionally my stomach would twitch a little.

Bloodshot eyes huh..... Good thing I wore glasses most the time.

**Smak** · 08-12-2006, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

Bloodshot eyes huh..... Good thing I wore glasses most the time.

NO TEST = NO CYCLE!!!!!!

**Smak** · 08-12-2006, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by shortie

For my .02 I would go get it re-tested with no changes in intake, labs make mistakes, there are fluctuations to contend with(although I would say your levels are beyond that of a normal fluctutation)and just errors in general. If it comes back still skewed dump every thing, even the super high protein intake we use, get some liv-52 continue with milk thislte and eat healthy with lots of cruciferous vegatables and trust your Dr.

Solid advice.

Thanks.

**Hellmaskbanned** · 08-12-2006, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Smak

NO TEST = NO CYCLE!!!!!!

Yeah what were you thinking?!

**bigasscuban** · 08-12-2006, 02:21 PM

I had my levels at 110. I read an article by Mike Mentzer. He said to take L-Glutathione and Calcium D Chlorate. I took both of them for 6 months and i also kept taking AAS. Did my blood work again and its down in the 40's. Hope this helps.

**Jakspro** · 08-12-2006, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Smak

I also drank a little bit on this cycle which probably wasn't the smartest thing.

Bumping the Milk Thistle to 1000g ed won't put more stress on it?

I've always been a big advocate of running Milk Thistle during my course of a cycle, but now I'm starting to beg differ?

Milk Thistle shouldn't put stress on your liver, and do you guys think it could be the Proviron ? I know its not supposed to be that harsh, but...?

**Smak** · 08-12-2006, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by Jakspro

Milk Thistle shouldn't put stress on your liver, and do you guys think it could be the Proviron? I know its not supposed to be that harsh, but...?

I'm thinking the Proviron could be adding to the problem as well.

I'm running 50mg right now for 2 weeks with 20mg nolvadex .

I'm going to bump my milk thistle intake to 1000mg ed.

I also take the ephedrine/Caffeine stack, but decided to drop it for a while.

since ephedrine puts some stress on the liver also.

What do you think?

**Smak** · 08-12-2006, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by bigasscuban

I had my levels at 110. I read an article by Mike Mentzer. He said to take L-Glutathione and Calcium D Chlorate. I took both of them for 6 months and i also kept taking AAS. Did my blood work again and its down in the 40's. Hope this helps.

Great!

I'm assuming I can find these at K-mart or Walgreens correct?

L-Glutathione and Calcium D Chlorate

**axiomatic6** · 08-12-2006, 06:08 PM

your liver fucntions are high, but they are NOT THAT HIGH, dont stop taking milk thistle, and i hope you arent taking crap for walgreeens..you need top quality stuff, standardized. your liver will go back to normal, just relax, do not stop taking finasteride either, now that you are off the cycle your oiver will go back to normal, i am just concerned about the quality and potency of the milk thistle you are taking. all of this is IMO, im not not a doctor.

**axiomatic6** · 08-12-2006, 06:09 PM

oh, and why all orals?

good idea to start running IM injection,.

ok just read your post, you can THROW THAT MILK THISTLE FROM WALGREENS IN THE TRASH, b/c that is what it is. you need to go to a real health food store, never buy herbs from these places, they are cheaper for a reason, you get what you pay for bro.

**BIG LITTLE MAN** · 10-07-2006, 06:08 PM

Is 1600mgs of Milk Thistle to much?

**bigfish** · 10-07-2006, 06:23 PM

I'm thinking about "kick starting" my upcoming cycle of EQ and cypionate with 4 weeks of D-bol. I'm not starting this cycle until the New Year, any supplements should I start taking in advance for my liver? I know milk thistle and ALA, but how much? Any other suggestions?

**bigfish** · 10-07-2006, 06:23 PM

I'm thinking about "kick starting" my upcoming cycle of EQ and cypionate with 4 weeks of D-bol. I'm not starting this cycle until the New Year, any supplements should I start taking in advance for my liver? I know milk thistle and ALA, but how much? Any other suggestions?