Can't seem to recover from tren E

[Starkraven]

nearly 2 years ago from december 6, 2004 - january 17, 2005, i did:

Week 1: 375mg tren E, 1000mg test E
Week 2: 375mg tren E, 500mg test E
Week 3: 375mg tren E, 500mg test E
Week 4: 375mg tren E, 500mg test E (not sure if i took anymore)
Week 5: 500mg tren E
Week 6: 500mg tren E
Week 7: 250mg tren E

The reason i dropped the test was because I WAS BLOATING IN MY FACE WHILE DIETING DOWN STRICTLY WITH INTENSE CARDIO 6 DAYS A WEEK.

I took 1mg adex ed around mid week 2 when i noticed some bloating. Well, it never reduced that bloating. About a week later, my sex drive lowered, then i got off the test and it went null. I thought the test was bloating me but it was the TREN E!!

After that, i did not do PCT. normally i never did PCT with cycles so short (never did more than 6-8 weeks anyway but never used tren E before either).

Why is this bloating STILL there in my face and having a hard time recovering? I did some test alone just a bit ago and on PCT for that. only did 5-6 weeks of test before i decided to let me body recover and just stay away from gear for good. Also, ever since that tren E, my orgasms dont feel as good as they did. to this day, it haunts me.

What are the solutions to this? Right now im on clomid 50mg ed and l-dex .5mg eod.

[guest589745]

I think it would go away. How long has it been since you stopped?

[Tren Bull]

tren e is probably one of the most suppressive drugs you can run. ive never heard of it negativly affecting the feeling from an orgasm though

[stupidhippo]

what u could do is get ur test levels checked.... without that we are only guessing.. but lets say ur test is still down... u could try HCC + Nolva / clomid for some time.. and if that doesnt elevate them back (permamently) then its HRT time IMO..

[Starkraven]

you could do a search on my user name, i only made a couple posts. it was called "how much tren E is left in me".

at the time, it seemed like even though i stopped it, it felt like it was running in me for up to 5 weeks and more.

i took HCG, nolva, clomid just now. and i dont really feel any different than being off gear. hrt is not an option for me, im only 23 years old. im not going down like this man. there must be a solution to this. last year after test/dbol, i did a pct but still never felt completely recovered. its like it only reaches a certain point, then it doesnt get better. anyway, 4 months after that pct was feb 2006, where i had my blood drawn. this test showed my estro was a little high, according to the doc. she didnt say anything else, whether my test was high or not. i do have a strong libido but lately not really. im on 50mg clomid ed. i think the 1mg adex i took today dropped my estro too low so i have to wait for it to normalize.

this whole thing is really depressing me. not that i was any happier to begin with but its making me worse.

[Starkraven]

I think it would go away. How long has it been since you stopped?

its the first sentence in my post. dec '04 - jan -5. today is past mid 2006.

ive been dealing with this for a very long time. too long.

the bull: i also NEVER experienced anything like that, that affected my orgasms. EVER. i used to have good orgasms even when i ran tren ace with test. but i only ran tren ace for 2-3 weeks at most. this was 7 WEEKS OF TREN ENTH. HUGE DIFFERENCE. WAY LONGER LASTING. it wasnt until i touched that tren E, that i think i permanently damaged something because my body cant seem to recover naturally despite the fact that i used to bounce back quick. im turning 24 in a month. i started using around 18 but since i couldnt afford it (thank god) i was forced to do half assed cycles around 5-6 weeks and i would ALWAYS bounce back quick. yes i know im stupid. i really wish i could go back in time and never touch gear but ive already done the damage. i truly regret it.

[timtim]

its because of the progesterone from the tren. that is the reason i will never touch any of those (anadrol, tren, deca) again. recovery takes forever and sometimes you just dont feel the same. took a very, very long time for me after deca. sounds similar to my experience. go to the doc and get your blood done. estrogen isnt the probelm.

[Starkraven]

how long after the deca did you recover? i mean once i took tren ace for a couple weeks, and with no PCT, it took me 3 months to recover. i had no sex drive. but when i did recover, i recovered EVEN BETTER. my libido went thru the roof. like it had a rebound effect from cycling.

i notice that it isnt estrogen otherwise that bloating in my face would go away. but then there is so much debate about progesterone with tren and that it doesnt convert into that, etc.

i did get my blood tested last week but i didnt get the results yet so im going to give them a call on monday. i really hope i do recover because its been almost 2 years. granted i took 2 cycles after that (1 being my longest = 12 weeks of test/dbol) but no tren was taken after that or deca or anadrol. im never touching gear again at all.

[timtim]

the recovery was like 6 months for the depression and complete loss of libido to stop and than slowly turn. i stopped cycling for 2 years till i felt normal again. it was horrible.

i dont know about tren and progesterone all too well, but if nolva, adex, aromasin and all the other ai's cant treat gyno from it i assume their is something progesterone related happening. in my endocrine system, and many others, progesterone is a crippler. you might not be like me and recover easy. i hope so for your sake.

[dan525]

I know this goes against what many people may tell you, but there is a trick to recovering from tren and deca. If nolva or clomid and hcg fail then go back on test only , preferably prop. If you do a quick six week prop cycle you will feel great again and although you will be shutdown, recovery from test is easy. This is why I would always run test 4-6 weeks longer if I run tren or deca.

[Starkraven]

i did that bro...

[dan525]

Also if you are having orgasm problems then your prolactin levels are probably high. High prolactin is the reason alot of meds cause sexual problems.. Certain anti pyschotic meds are given to sexual compulsives to reduce sex drive. THey down regulate dopamine which raises prolactin.. Bromo or anothe rdopamine agonist will help if your problems are related to high prolactin levels.

[Starkraven]

i guess i just have to wait for the blood tests. i asked for PRL but hopefully they tested my progesterone as well.

thanks.

[LatinoPR]

what....no pct ?...wtf ???

[Starkraven]

i did a PCT with nolva. and it didnt do shit. after i did my next cycle after that, i did a PCT.

[goosed]

now i dont know as much as most on here but if you did 2 more cycles before you were fully recovered from the first tren cycle then i would think that could be a good reason why recovery is taking so long now. thats just my 2 cents, like i said, i dont know a fraction of what some here know!

[Starkraven]

well im going to stay off for good. i just came off clomid after 2 weeks and on tribulus now. i bought some tribestan. i hope i didnt just waste $45.00 because i heard this shit works and i also heard it sucks too and is a waste.

[Starkraven]

also i got my bloodwork back and prolactin is actually kinda low. im gonna get a copy of it tomorrow but my rbc was fine, i dont know about estradiol, i heard theres a certain test that is for women which is useless on men but that came out low too which i dont believe.

ive been on zinc, mag, and b-6 before bed for the past few weeks with the clomid/nolva but i feel better where i dont think i need the clomid/nolva anymore so i can just let my body recover. i did hcg before that with nolva. and just started tribestan today.

[G-1000]

tren e is probably one of the most suppressive drugs you can run. ive never heard of it negativly affecting the feeling from an orgasm though

It does and i have. That is one reson i like tren so much. When you have sex you can go hardcoar for 2 hours before you orgasm.

[G-1000]

At this point it dont mater what you did or did not do. You need to look at how to fex the problem. The first place to start is by getting blood work done. You need to tell the doc that you wont to test ever thing. Tell him your problems that your haveing now. I dont see why you have to tell it'f from steroids. There is a good chance this is not. After you get that done we can see if the problem it even test related or some thing els.

[jcstanto]

its the first sentence in my post. dec '04 - jan -5. today is past mid 2006.

ive been dealing with this for a very long time. too long.

the bull: i also NEVER experienced anything like that, that affected my orgasms. EVER. i used to have good orgasms even when i ran tren ace with test. but i only ran tren ace for 2-3 weeks at most. this was 7 WEEKS OF TREN ENTH. HUGE DIFFERENCE. WAY LONGER LASTING. it wasnt until i touched that tren E, that i think i permanently damaged something because my body cant seem to recover naturally despite the fact that i used to bounce back quick. im turning 24 in a month. i started using around 18 but since i couldnt afford it (thank god) i was forced to do half assed cycles around 5-6 weeks and i would ALWAYS bounce back quick. yes i know im stupid. i really wish i could go back in time and never touch gear but ive already done the damage. i truly regret it.

It messed up my sex drive all together. I was a limp noddle for about 6 months straight. (Even with proper Pct.) I noticed that my orgasms sucked ass and I felt like I couldn't date chicks until I got my shit working right. I then went to a Doc. and he said that it messed with some chem. in my kidneys/ and made it to where I had a constant urinary tract infection. So, basicly I couldn't do anything for awhile or it would make things worse.

[Starkraven]

It messed up my sex drive all together. I was a limp noddle for about 6 months straight. (Even with proper Pct.) I noticed that my orgasms sucked ass and I felt like I couldn't date chicks until I got my shit working right. I then went to a Doc. and he said that it messed with some chem. in my kidneys/ and made it to where I had a constant urinary tract infection. So, basicly I couldn't do anything for awhile or it would make things worse.

you claim for a while. did it still mess you up? i still have a high libido and hard erections and all, basically i feel 85% recovered. since i can still see that bloating in my face and the orgasms arent as good as they used to be, i conclude that im not fully recovered.

my prolactin came back low. 4.24 (range 2.5-17.0) lh/fsh are kinda on the lower end. they both came back at 2.0...LH didnt list the adult male ranges, how stupid. but they did list the adult females which was 1.1-11.6. the fsh has a range of 0.7-11.1 and it was 2.0 so is that low? this was while on clomid last week though i just came off that. the estro/test is still pending.