2nd cycle Need Help!!!

**michaelmotorcycle** · 08-12-2006, 09:21 PM

ok i am trying to decide on my 2nd cycle, but i need some help. i am at 165lb 13%bf 5'6" ..... i am trying to add 10-15 of lean muscles... this is how my cycle is gonna look like

wk 1-6 test prop @75mg ed
wk 1-12 sust @ 75 mg ed
wk 8-14 winstrol @50mg ed
wk 10-14 test prop 75mg ed

Pct
wk 1-14 nolva 10mg ed
wk 14-16 50mg ed
wk 14-17 letro

i am open to any opinions. Please let me know what you think
my first cycle was test cyp and tren ( i know, i know, not a good first cycle, but we all make mistakes) i have been off for almost a year now

**Cat316** · 08-12-2006, 09:24 PM

dont do sust if u want lean muscle...sust equals bloat to me

**michaelmotorcycle** · 08-12-2006, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by Cat316

dont do sust if u want lean muscle...sust equals bloat to me

i know thats what i heard, but i just have so much, i don't know what to do with it, my buddy brought me 50 viles form egypt

**michaelmotorcycle** · 08-12-2006, 09:34 PM

i was originally planning to do test enanthate but i swiched

**michaelmotorcycle** · 08-12-2006, 10:31 PM

bump anyone???

**Aesthetix** · 08-13-2006, 02:58 AM

how bout

test prop wk 1-6 75mg/ed
test E wk 1-14 750 mg/wk
EQ wk 1-4 600mg/wk
D-bol wk 1-8 10mg/ed ( for anti catabolism )

that should give u some clean muscle gains .. i dont see the point in running the prop at the end of the cycle . JMO

**Kale** · 08-13-2006, 03:57 AM

Originally Posted by michaelmotorcycle

ok i am trying to decide on my 2nd cycle, but i need some help. i am at 165lb 13%bf 5'6" ..... i am trying to add 10-15 of lean muscles... this is how my cycle is gonna look like

wk 1-6 test prop @75mg ed
wk 1-12 sust @ 75 mg ed
wk 8-14 winstrol @50mg ed
wk 10-14 test prop 75mg ed

Pct
wk 1-14 nolva 10mg ed
wk 14-16 50mg ed
wk 14-17 letro

i am open to any opinions. Please let me know what you think
my first cycle was test cyp and tren ( i know, i know, not a good first cycle, but we all make mistakes) i have been off for almost a year now

Run the Prop and the Winny right up to the day before PCT starts so you will need to reajust the start times at the end of the cycle. Also you only really need to run the Prop for the first five weeks. You understand you will be getting about 700mg of Prop those first five weeks as there is already Prop in the Sust and you will be taking advantage of that by shooting it ED

**michaelmotorcycle** · 08-13-2006, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by Kale

Run the Prop and the Winny right up to the day before PCT starts so you will need to reajust the start times at the end of the cycle. Also you only really need to run the Prop for the first five weeks. You understand you will be getting about 700mg of Prop those first five weeks as there is already Prop in the Sust and you will be taking advantage of that by shooting it ED

thanks buddy, what do you think of my pct, will it be ok? becuase i have 5000 iu of hcg laying around do you think i will need it?

**SMAN12b** · 08-13-2006, 08:12 AM

Consider using an AI throughout the cycle if you are worried about bloating, arimidex or letro

**michaelmotorcycle** · 08-13-2006, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by SMAN12B

Consider using an AI throughout the cycle if you are worried about bloating, arimidex or letro

would this be better sman???

wk 1-5 test prop @75mg ed
wk 1-12 sust @ 100 mg ed
wk 8-14 winstrol @50mg ed

Pct
wk 1-14 nolva 10mg ed
wk 14-16 50mg ed
wk 1-17 letro 2mg eod

**Swifto** · 08-13-2006, 12:36 PM

I'd leave out the Sust and go 75-100mg/ED Test Prop from start to finish.

Use the Sust when you use longer acting estered androgens, such as Deca , EQ.

**michaelmotorcycle** · 08-13-2006, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

I'd leave out the Sust and go 75-100mg/ED Test Prop from start to finish.

Use the Sust when you use longer acting estered androgens, such as Deca, EQ.

do u think i should add deca , so it will look like this??

wk 1-6 test prop @75mg ed
wk 1-12 sust @ 100 mg ed
wk 4-8 decca @ 100mg eod
wk 8-14 winstrol @50mg ed

Pct
wk 1-14 nolva 10mg ed
wk 14-16 50mg ed
wk 1-17 letro

**Hellmaskbanned** · 08-13-2006, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by michaelmotorcycle

do u think i should add deca , so it will look like this??

wk 1-6 test prop @75mg ed
wk 1-12 sust @ 100 mg ed
wk 4-8 decca @ 100mg eod
wk 8-14 winstrol @50mg ed

Pct
wk 1-14 nolva 10mg ed
wk 14-16 50mg ed
wk 1-17 letro

Ouch that cycle looks painful. Human pincushion alert!
What are you trying to do? Cut / Bulk?

If your bulking throw out the winstrol and add deca.
If your cutting keep the winstrol and dont add deca.

Lets keep it simple , no need to add alot of compounds.

**Swifto** · 08-13-2006, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

Ouch that cycle looks painful. Human pincushion alert!
What are you trying to do? Cut / Bulk?

If your bulking throw out the winstrol and add deca .
If your cutting keep the winstrol and dont add deca.

Lets keep it simple , no need to add alot of compounds.

This is what I was about to ask. What are your goals. By looking at your choice of compounds I dont think you know either...

More compounds = more sides. Keep it simple.

**michaelmotorcycle** · 08-13-2006, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

This is what I was about to ask. What are your goals. By looking at your choice of compounds I dont think you know either...

More compounds = more sides. Keep it simple.

i am trying to gain about 10-15 lb of lean muscles.... but i have heard alot of good things about sust and i have some... so i wanna try it... i think i am gonna go with this...

wk 1-5 test prop @75mg ed
wk 1-12 sust @ 100 mg ed
wk 8-14 winstrol @50mg ed

Pct
wk 1-14 nolva 10mg ed
wk 14-16 50mg ed
wk 1-17 letro 2mg eod

this way i could use the test p to kick start, untill the sust kicks in.. then lean out with the winnys, and keep from retaining water with the letro

how does the dosage look to you guys?

**Swifto** · 08-13-2006, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by michaelmotorcycle

i am trying to gain about 10-15 lb of lean muscles.... but i have heard alot of good things about sust and i have some... so i wanna try it... i think i am gonna go with this...

wk 1-5 test prop @75mg ed
wk 1-12 sust @ 100 mg ed
wk 8-14 winstrol @50mg ed

Pct
wk 1-14 nolva 10mg ed
wk 14-16 50mg ed
wk 1-17 letro 2mg eod

this way i could use the test p to kick start, untill the sust kicks in.. then lean out with the winnys, and keep from retaining water with the letro

how does the dosage look to you guys?

Considering your goals I dont see a need for Letro. I only suggest it for pre-compettition, cutting very prone to estrogen related sides, using a 19-nor or using massive doses. You havent said your doing or are, any of the above.

Why not try Aromasin 25mg/EOD or Arimdex 0.5mg/ED? Unl;ess you have the Letro.

For your PCT, whats "50mg/ED"? Lay your PCT out again stating dosages/durations.

**michaelmotorcycle** · 08-13-2006, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

Considering your goals I dont see a need for Letro. I only suggest it for pre-compettition, cutting very prone to estrogen related sides, using a 19-nor or using massive doses. You havent said your doing or are, any of the above.

Why not try Aromasin 25mg/EOD or Arimdex 0.5mg/ED? Unl;ess you have the Letro.

For your PCT, whats "50mg/ED"? Lay your PCT out again stating dosages/durations.

sorry swifto bare with me man.... ok lets try this one

wk 1-5 test prop @75mg ed
wk 1-12 sust @ 100 mg ed
wk 8-14 winstrol @50mg ed

Pct
wk 1-14 nolva 10mg ed
wk 14-16 clomid 50mg ed
wk 1-17 arimdex .5mg ed

how is that?

**Swifto** · 08-13-2006, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by michaelmotorcycle

sorry swifto bare with me man.... ok lets try this one

wk 1-5 test prop @75mg ed
wk 1-12 sust @ 100 mg ed
wk 8-14 winstrol @50mg ed

Pct
wk 1-14 nolva 10mg ed
wk 14-16 clomid 50mg ed
wk 1-17 arimdex .5mg ed

how is that?

I'd run the Test Prop to week 6, that way I think you would have given ample tme for the longer acting esters Sust contains.

Your PCT is 3 weeks long?

Let me lay a cycle out for you:

wk 1-6 Test Prop 75mg/ED
wk 1-12 Sust 75mg/ED (should suffice)
wk 8-14 Winstrol 50mg/ED
wk 1-12 Arimidex 0.5mg/ED
Nolva on hand

PCT

wk 14-18 Nolva 20mg/ED
wk 12-18 Arimdiex 0.75mg/ED
wk 16-19 Nolva 10mg/ED
Clomid if you have too?
wk 14-19 Proviron 50mg/ED

Along with Creatine 5g/ED and L-Glutamine 10g/ED. All the Vits minerals you take too.

**michaelmotorcycle** · 08-13-2006, 01:35 PM

thanks swifto that looks good man, just one last think... i can't get any proviron (to be honest with you, i don't even know what that is).... can i do without?????

**Swifto** · 08-13-2006, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by michaelmotorcycle

thanks swifto that looks good man, just one last think... i can't get any proviron (to be honest with you, i don't even know what that is).... can i do without?????

Nothing can replace Proviron during PCT. Here's why:

Use PROVIRON during PCT!

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