winny only cycle?

[bigg_poppa]

hey evereyone lookin for some advice im 6 foot 250lbs with 20% bf someone told me i should try a winny only cycle for 10 weeks i know that i shouldnt do it but what side effect could happen if i did try it

they also said if i didnt wanna do winny only then i should try trenbolone they seems a bit to much since this will be my first cycle ever can someone help me out

they also recommend that i use L-carnatine with a eca stack what is L-carnatine thanks alot

[cutting_king]

Post your age, your cycle experience,training experience and what your goals are so we can help more. King

[cfiler]

Winstrol only is not a good cycle imo. You need a test for a base.

Most people would not run winstrol longer than six weeks.

[THE_DOME]

and if you did run winy it shoudl be no more than 6 weeks

[Bigmax]

Winstrol only is not a good cycle imo. You need a test for a base.

Most people would not run winstrol longer than six weeks.

Why???cause of libido issues???..thats not with everyone...ive done winny only cycles aswell as others that I know and had good success.

[Samson7]

This is the 2rd or 3rd thread like this in the last couple days. I agree, you can run winny alone. That is actually going to be my next cycle after my current one. I am going to cut and use it to help me retain muscle and strength during dieting. Many of my friends have done this cycle with virtually no sides...except of course strength, vascularity, hardness and looking great. Do the cycle, have fun and PCT!


P.S. as a couple of the guys said, I wouldnt go more than 6 weeks. Winny is 17aa and is harsh on the liver.

[V_Vandetta]

IMO winny is fine by it,s self but his Bf% is 20 which is a bit high .. I would say stick with a solid diet and cardio training get down to 13-14% than run the winny ... I have never done a winny only but know lots of bros that did and got great gains and keeped them and lost a good amount of BF% but i prefer injectable over orals

[Samson7]

IMO winny is fine by it,s self but his Bf% is 20 which is a bit high .. I would say stick with a solid diet and cardio training get down to 13-14% than run the winny ... I have never done a winny only but know lots of bros that did and got great gains and keeped them and lost a good amount of BF% but i prefer injectable over orals

I agree that if he is at 20% BF then diet should be his main concern...not winny. As far as the injectable/oral thing, winny is 17aa any way you look at it. It is going to pretty much be the same on you liver in either form. IMO ed winny injections are a pain in the ass.

[V_Vandetta]

I agree that if he is at 20% BF then diet should be his main concern...not winny. As far as the injectable/oral thing, winny is 17aa any way you look at it. It is going to pretty much be the same on you liver in either form. IMO ed winny injections are a pain in the ass.

but than there is the fact that you loose Mg of winny doing oral that gets lost in the digestive tract

[D-Money]

I agree, I think winstrol is one of the few compounds that can be run alone. I have several friends that have tried this and had no libido isues.

This is the 2rd or 3rd thread like this in the last couple days. I agree, you can run winny alone. That is actually going to be my next cycle after my current one. I am going to cut and use it to help me retain muscle and strength during dieting. Many of my friends have done this cycle with virtually no sides...except of course strength, vascularity, hardness and looking great. Do the cycle, have fun and PCT!


P.S. as a couple of the guys said, I would go more than 6 weeks. Winny is 17aa and is harsh on the liver.

[GauchB]

I've done just winny and had great success, HOWEVER, i did it 2 different times and for 8 weeks each time and i got an extremely small case of gyno!!!

So don't do it for too long!!! Good Luck

[Johnybravo75]

What would you recommend using for PCT with a winny only cycle? and is there a need to run an anti-e during?

[cfiler]

Why???cause of libido issues???..thats not with everyone...ive done winny only cycles aswell as others that I know and had good success.

Adding it to a heavy bulking cycle could be problematic, as Stanozolol is a 17aa compound, meaning that it’s been altered to endure the first pass through your liver without being destroyed. This makes it an orally active compound, so many people choose to take the pills which are available from both legitimate pharmaceutical companies as well as Underground Labs. Unfortunately, since it’s 17aa, it is also liver toxic…in fact, Stanozolol has one of the worst hepatoxicity (mg for mg) of any steroid. This is the reason it’s addition to a bulking cycle could be problematic; generally a bulking cycle will be very heavy, dosage wise as well as toxicity-wise. It also has undesirable results on Cholesterol, and a mere 6mgs/day of Stanozolol can lower HDL by 33% and raise LDL by 29% (3). Cardiac Hypertrophy, even at lower doses could be a concern with Winstrol as well (4) Thus, many people limit their intake of Stanozolol to precontest or Summer-cutting types of cycles. It’s generally accepted that due to the toxicity issues of Stanozolol, its use should be limited to 6 weeks…as with anything though, many people have run it for up to 12 weeks with no problems. I ran Winstrol for about 3 months (12 weeks) at a dose of 100mgs Every Other Day (along with Test prop at 125mgs, every other day) and I suffered no ill-effects. My joints felt fine, and I can say that the only thing which was undesirable about that cycle was the injection pain. Generally, people report a "dry" and less lubricated feeling in their joints when on this drug (fluid retention is nil with Stanozolol), and also a "dry" overall look as regards contest prep. This could be due to a sort of "reverse-osmotic" effect...of course this is speculation, but people do look "dryer" on Winnie, and some even look dryer in the site they inject (more on this later). There are many conflicting reports on tendon strength and Stanozolol, even in medical journals. Some reports state that it weakens tendons, others that it strengthens them (and some speculation on the internet among many “guru’s” is that it strengthens them unevenly, leading to possible injury). For this reason, it may be best for athletes in explosive or high-impact sports to stay away from this drug. It has certainly been shown to be beneficial in some bone ailments induced by glucocorticoid induced stress (5) as well as having collagen producing properties(11), but with all of the anecdotal problems athletes have suffered with their joints while on Stanozolol, I simply can not recommend it with confidence to strength/speed athletes. I can say that personally, it was an effective compound for me and did not cause joint duress, but I can do without the discomfort of the shots, and have found other DHT based compounds to be far more effective (Masteron springs to mind).
http://forums.anabolicreview.com/sho...d.php?t=199794
That's why I would not suggest running longer than six weeks. Granted some have run longer, unless the user knows how their body will react to winstrol I wouldn't suggest it.

[Anabolios]

I think winistrol is better used with low bodyfat. Sure it will give you very lean gains with that hard look..but if you have a giant layer of fat over it what good is it really doing? I SUPPOSE it could have a place in retaining muscle mass while cutting...but even then I think using it at a lower bf% would be much more beneficial.

[cfiler]

I agree that if he is at 20% BF then diet should be his main concern...not winny. As far as the injectable/oral thing, winny is 17aa any way you look at it. It is going to pretty much be the same on you liver in either form. IMO ed winny injections are a pain in the ass.

Taken orally winstrol makes two liver passes, while injected it only makes one.

Additionally winstrol loss through the first liver pass (when taken orally) is 18% if I remember correctly.

Injecting is much better, but not worth the hassle of ed injects.

[Tetreault]

Sorry diggin it up from 3 days ago.
Im still new so i thought id chime in with a question to keep the thread going a bit and use it as an opportunity to learn more without cluttering up teh forum with more threads.

Ive searched, but cant find a definitive answer. What does winstrol do? Does it shred you? Does it add more cut(lean)muscle without adding mass? Does it add strength at all? Does it work well alone? I know most people here say it works "better" with test, but when used alone, is it a waste?
I dont have alot of body fat. I was wondering if I could use this to add lean muscle without adding too much mass, if any. I was alos interested in its abilites where adding strength is concerned.

-Tetreault

[cfiler]

check this link out click me. It has alot of great info about winstrol, and should answer all your questions, and explain it better than I can.

[cfiler]

Winstrol will not burn fat. Like most aas, it can "keep muscle" while cutting, by ensuring that a catabolic state is not reached.

It best suited to cutting cycles imo, due to the nature of it's compound and it's liver toxicity.

[bigpopparich]

im taking the orals as we speak and i love winstrol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! even at a low dose it helps me drastically!!!

[Tetreault]

Helps you do what?

[chuckt12345]

Helps you do what?

Doin the same thing as bigpappa,, runnin just winny alone. Its hard to get answers on here sometimes cause they'll just tell you to go read other forums to learn but when you cant figure it out by reading its hard to post questions to get the answers, catch 22 i find. From what ive read winny only helps burn fat if at all, for me on my first time it was more of getting my muscles harder and more cut and at the same time this motivated me to do more cardio and eat right therefore losing more fat. Im takin 50mg/ed for 6 weeks and my supplements are arginine, leucine, creatine, glucosomine (?), fish oils and milk thistle. Im going to take nolvedex at the end for 4 weeks at 20 mg/ed. This is what ive come up by reading through these posts to get the best out of just running winstrol alone as a aas. Any other help or knowledge is much appreciated.

[Tetreault]

Thanks. I appreciate the help.

Im gonna use a number of supps to go along with the winny. Im looking forward to seeing how it affects me. Ill be satisfided with any reults i can see. but id really like to see an increase in strength and some hardening and definition. Im hoping my size will come with changing my diet around and some other things. If I can get to 185 lean with good def. Then ill consider the winny only a success. Hell, ill consider it a sucess if i get anything of it at all.

lol

Thanks again everyone for letting me jack the thread a bit and helping me out with some answers.

-Tetreault

[bigpopparich]

how do u guys think my gians would be if i ran DBOL halfway through my winny cycle i started it and stayed on it for about 2 weeks after my winny cycle was over ...had a friend who diud it and he looks JACKED .....good idea???? i can get the orals at 15mg tabs ....and there very very good ...tryed the winny and its been AMAZING! if i do wha dosage would u recommend ??? i take 50-75 mg / ed of winny rightn ow

[Tetreault]

FWIW and i dont know a whole bunch. Taking something like dbol along with winny is a good cycle. Dbol to help you gain mass and strength, and winny to help the water retention stay down and help you retian the hard lean muscle you gain.

Dbol orals are pretty harsh on your liver though arent they? I think winny is the only oral ill ever take probably.