Back pumps from tbol on day one??

**soccer#3** · 08-15-2006, 08:31 AM

I just started my cycle yesterday, prop 100mg eod and tbol. i was gonna run the tbol for 40mg ed but since im doin a lot of cardio and soccer im tryin to avoid the pumps from it so i went wit 30mg yesterday. and already i can feel the back pumps from it. i need to be sittin down to put my socks and shorts on.

my question is can u really feel the pumps on day one? could it be something else. im goin to lower the dose to 2Omg ed now.

cycle looks like this
1-7 prop 100mg eod
1-5/6 tbol 20mg ed

goal: with the compounds im using it isnt really hard to figure what im goin for, lean bulk

stats
age 23
height 5'9
weight ~170 lbs
prev cycle - tbol only 40/50/60/60/60
training exp - many years
bf - below 10% for sure

**Hellmaskbanned** · 08-15-2006, 08:50 AM

Let me get this straight....You're on day one and have taken 20mgs and feel tbol taking effect? Bro sorry to dissapoint you , but it's not even built up in your system yet to feel a finger pump from typing all that.

**soccer#3** · 08-15-2006, 08:55 AM

i know thats what i was thinkin, its too early for me to feel it but my lower back is pumped like a mutha. i took 30mg yesertday but lowering it to 2Omg from now on, and i got some chest cramps/pumps yesterday too. which i experienced from my first cycle.. weird

bump please

**Hellmaskbanned** · 08-15-2006, 08:58 AM

Wow , your lucky it took me 3 weeks to notice ANY gains from tbol.

**k0nsl** · 08-15-2006, 09:01 AM

Interesting. Be sure to post in the Member's Cycle Results when you're done!

**soccer#3** · 08-15-2006, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

Wow , your lucky it took me 3 weeks to notice ANY gains from tbol.

3 weeks was the same for me for the first time wit tbol but i dont think its gains just pumps

**soccer#3** · 08-15-2006, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by k0nsl

Interesting. Be sure to post in the Member's Cycle Results when you're done!

good idea. actually i might do a log over there is its not too crowded, write whenever something interesting happens.. but that will have to wait until later today. im off to the gym

peace

**Bigmax** · 08-15-2006, 09:20 AM

Damn,pumps on day 1...never heard that before.20mgs seems pretty low but see how it does for you.

**C_Bino** · 08-15-2006, 09:43 AM

I mean its possible but never happened to me that early. I find though that I personally get back pumps like hell running ANY oral. Winny, d-bol, M1t whatever...you name it and I get back pumps. Someone else runnin the same stuff may not get them as bad but for some reason they like to kick my ass.

Make sure you drink lenty of water and watch your sodium isnt too high bro. Try to get around 4L of water per day or more. I do this and the pumps are still there but it alleviates the pumps somewhat for some people.

**shortie** · 08-15-2006, 10:33 AM

Oh sure brag to us about your anabolic sensitivity, just rub our noses in it! Seriously if it is from the Tbol you have no idea how envious I am that you can feel the effects off of that low a dose that quickly.

**Anavar Man** · 08-15-2006, 10:49 AM

Virgin Receptors I'm so jealous.....

**soccer#3** · 08-15-2006, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anavar Man

Virgin Receptors I'm so jealous.....

they say u'll always remember ur first

**soccer#3** · 08-15-2006, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Bigmax

Damn,pumps on day 1...never heard that before.20mgs seems pretty low but see how it does for you.

when i ran tbol the first time at 60mg my back pumps were bad, i could barely get outta the car

**soccer#3** · 08-15-2006, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by C_Bino

I mean its possible but never happened to me that early. I find though that I personally get back pumps like hell running ANY oral. Winny, d-bol, M1t whatever...you name it and I get back pumps. Someone else runnin the same stuff may not get them as bad but for some reason they like to kick my ass.

Make sure you drink lenty of water and watch your sodium isnt too high bro. Try to get around 4L of water per day or more. I do this and the pumps are still there but it alleviates the pumps somewhat for some people.

my water intake is good.. i drink water like a camel. as for the sodium the only time i really use salt is when i cook eggs, ground beef or ground turkey. meat w/o salt doesnt really taste good

**soccer#3** · 08-15-2006, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by shortie

Oh sure brag to us about your anabolic sensitivity, just rub our noses in it! Seriously if it is from the Tbol you have no idea how envious I am that you can feel the effects off of that low a dose that quickly.

**Hellmaskbanned** · 08-15-2006, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by soccer#3

when i ran tbol the first time at 60mg my back pumps were bad, i could barely get outta the car

Have you had blood work done?

These back pumps I only experineced cramping/pump in my lower back while jogging one time on tbol.

You make it sound like your liver is failing u! You got hepatitus or something?

**Swifto** · 08-15-2006, 01:11 PM

You sure it Tbol you got?

My forearms start to hurt when working out on 60mg/ED.

**soccer#3** · 08-15-2006, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

Have you had blood work done?

These back pumps I only experineced cramping/pump in my lower back while jogging one time on tbol.

You make it sound like your liver is failing u! You got hepatitus or something?

no i havent got blood work done.. i thought tbol was mild on the liver

**soccer#3** · 08-15-2006, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

You sure it Tbol you got?

My forearms start to hurt when working out on 60mg/ED.

i was waiting for u to come in here cuz i know u have experience wit tbol. yeah im pretty sure its tbol.. here's a link of my gear, came from a trusted source

http://forums.anabolicreview.com/sho...d.php?t=241136

**Hellmaskbanned** · 08-15-2006, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by soccer#3

no i havent got blood work done.. i thought tbol was mild on the liver

I did to, but lately I've been reading ppl saying it's as liver toxic as dbol . Which would make sence because they are very similiar compounds.

PPl also say anavar is mild on the liver , and lately a member posted a blood test showing he got his ass kicked from a 10 week run. Although alot of ppl have no liver trouble from either one, it depends on the individual and if he is a healthy male to begin with.

**Swifto** · 08-15-2006, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

I did to, but lately I've been reading ppl saying it's as liver toxic as dbol . Which would make sence because they are very similiar compounds.

PPl also say anavar is mild on the liver , and lately a member posted a blood test showing he got his ass kicked from a 10 week run. Although alot of ppl have no liver trouble from either one, it depends on the individual and if he is a healthy male to begin with.

I dont think Tbol is "that" hypatoxic. So...I guess I dont think Dbol is that toxic either. I ran Tbol at 60mg/ED for 8 weeks, then for another 2 weeks at 80mg/ED. It was real too. My liver values were VERY slightly elevated, but cholesterol high. Which could have been the Proviron at 50mg/ED?

I think liver toxicity is overated due to my experience with Tbol. Other compounds, I'm yet to discover. But I know one thing. I get bloodwork done every 4-5 weeks whilst "on" so any change in anything will be noted and action taken.

About the Tbol. All I can suggest is lower the dose. 20mg/ED seems low. However, I suggest you start on a low dose then work your way up to the "perfect" dose for you, caomparing gains/sides. Which is what I suggest for all orals.

About the sides. I get headaches/stomach aches, forearm cramps and a gaseous stomach for the first 1-2 weeks. Which subsides after that. I may still suffer from a gaseous stomach on some weeks. It seems to make my stomach very sensitive and I must watch what foods I mix when on Tbol. Taking Creatine whilst on Tbol also causes it.

Hope this helps.

**italianplayboy09** · 08-15-2006, 02:36 PM

could you take creatine while on a cycle? wouldnt it be pointless?

**AleX-69** · 08-15-2006, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

I dont think Tbol is "that" hypatoxic. So...I guess I dont think Dbol is that toxic either. I ran Tbol at 60mg/ED for 8 weeks, then for another 2 weeks at 80mg/ED. It was real too. My liver values were VERY slightly elevated, but cholesterol high. Which could have been the Proviron at 50mg/ED?
I think liver toxicity is overated due to my experience with Tbol. Other compounds, I'm yet to discover. But I know one thing. I get bloodwork done every 4-5 weeks whilst "on" so any change in anything will be noted and action taken.

I also had bloodwork after 4 weeks T-bol use ar 50mg/ED. All my liver values were perfectly normal. Even though kidney values slightly elevated but i didn't drink enough water which explains this.

Originally Posted by Swifto

About the Tbol. All I can suggest is lower the dose. 20mg/ED seems low. However, I suggest you start on a low dose then work your way up to the "perfect" dose for you, caomparing gains/sides. Which is what I suggest for all orals.
About the sides. I get headaches/stomach aches, forearm cramps and a gaseous stomach for the first 1-2 weeks. Which subsides after that. I may still suffer from a gaseous stomach on some weeks. It seems to make my stomach very sensitive and I must watch what foods I mix when on Tbol. Taking Creatine whilst on Tbol also causes it.
Hope this helps.

I had NO sides whatsoever using t-bol, but i hardly get any noticable sides with other compounds, too..

**Swifto** · 08-15-2006, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

I did to, but lately I've been reading ppl saying it's as liver toxic as dbol. Which would make sence because they are very similiar compounds.
PPl also say anavar is mild on the liver , and lately a member posted a blood test showing he got his ass kicked from a 10 week run. Although alot of ppl have no liver trouble from either one, it depends on the individual and if he is a healthy male to begin with.

I think I'd agree with this, as there is only a slight alteration. Could we agree that 80mg/ED of Dbol is more liver toxic than 80mg/ED Tbol? If there so similar, why the increase in dosing when using the Tbol. 80mg/ED Dbol will prodcue more protein synthesis and nitrogen retention than 80mg/ED of Tbol....Right? So are the sides worse too? Tuff one...

**stik** · 08-15-2006, 05:21 PM

Exuse me but what do ya'll mean by "back pumps"? Is it just being pumped up in the back after a workout or something different? I've heard the term a few times.

**soccer#3** · 08-15-2006, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by stik

Exuse me but what do ya'll mean by "back pumps"? Is it just being pumped up in the back after a workout or something different? I've heard the term a few times.

yeah its different from being pumped after a workout.. wit back pump u'll have trouble doin certain things like bendin over (haha)

**stik** · 08-15-2006, 05:36 PM

Whats the physiollogy behind back pumps. Wtf are they?

**JohnnyUtah** · 08-16-2006, 09:57 AM

The sports IMO cause all gear to inflame the back pumps. While playing football or hockey I was dying about 2 days into a tren cycle. The Dbol I was taking years ago didn't take long before I could barely play a 30 second shit without stretching it out and arching my back to ease the pain.

**thabeastmaster** · 09-15-2006, 10:27 AM

only "pump" or pain issues i noticed was when i tried to wipe my ass......3 weeks 30mg/day then 5 weeks 50mg day........when i turn to wipe i would almost fall off the toliet in pain as my back would lock up...BUTTTTTTT....I DIDNT DRINK ENOUGH WATER!!!!!!!!!! i really have a hard time blaming anything on Tbol as this was my first ever cycle, and i fell in love with her.......the farting was horrible but, it wasnt really a "gassy stomach" either, there was no gastro discomfort, i just farted alot, and it was really really really stinky.......i ran the tbol by itself, no ai, serm, nada.....and no side effects....im finishing week 8 now....15lbs of muscle gain...

**Tommy Boy** · 09-15-2006, 10:42 AM

I ran Tbol and loved it....... however, the gas was an all time top ten.
I'm talkin' RRRRRRREEEEKK !!! Dead bodies rotting in the sun, rendering plant, rotten eggs, Monkey shit at the zoo, drop a Rhino at 50 yards ...farts. BAD!!!

**Morpheaus** · 09-17-2006, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by C_Bino

I mean its possible but never happened to me that early. I find though that I personally get back pumps like hell running ANY oral. Winny, d-bol, M1t whatever...you name it and I get back pumps. Someone else runnin the same stuff may not get them as bad but for some reason they like to kick my ass.

Make sure you drink lenty of water and watch your sodium isnt too high bro. Try to get around 4L of water per day or more. I do this and the pumps are still there but it alleviates the pumps somewhat for some people.

been doing d/bol 35mg e/d in this cycle, in my fifth week just started getting crazy back pump's this past week, was training shoulder's before had to sit down it was too much.