HELP Huge Cycle

[Cat316]

This is my last bulking cycle before I hit cutting with EQ...I want the biggest bang I can get. Ive done a test and decca cycle before with good results but im looking for a huge gain before I cut. I did d-bol and didnt like it. I want to stick to injectables so what do u reccomend. 21 years old 5'9 185 bf 10%. 3 cycles done test, test decca, test d-bol

[mkrulic]

biggest bang would be tren a. have you considered this? and how is an eq cycle a cutting cycle. you know eq will not help you cut right?

[Cat316]

i know but im taking clen next cycle

[cantspeak]

your way too young to be using AS

[mkrulic]

i know but im taking clen next cycle

you'd cut more from clen then eq. eq will not help you cut. imho, it is a complete waste of money.

[Cat316]

i hear some say its a waste and some swear buy it and say they keep the gains and its all lean and stuff.

[Cat316]

Anyone on here that took EQ tell me your experience please

[mkrulic]

Anyone on here that took EQ tell me your experience please

do a search on eq effectivness but spell it right.

[Cat316]

Ok i will but thats 2 cycles away about this one...what do u guys suggest
Test E 600 mg/week
liqidex .5mg ED throuout
what else for bulk

[powerliftmike]

This is my last bulking cycle before I hit cutting with EQ...I want the biggest bang I can get. Ive done a test and decca cycle before with good results but im looking for a huge gain before I cut. I did d-bol and didnt like it. I want to stick to injectables so what do u reccomend. 21 years old 5'9 185 bf 10%. 3 cycles done test, test decca, test d-bol

So you want a bulk cycle without any orals nor deca, and want to save eq for next cycle?

test/masteron or test/tren are probably your best options in this case.

[Cat316]

No ill do deca again i wont do d-bol...any injectables im down

[V_Vandetta]

No ill do deca again i wont do d-bol...any injectables im down

I have used EQ many many times .. As for a bulking cycle bro EQ is best left for cutting .. but have none many to run it with a bulking cycle . But since this is your third cycle and At 21 which Is a bit young.. BUt who am I to say. Ok you dont want to do any orals than a good bulking cycle would be

Test E or C @ 500-600mg a week
front load with test P 100Mg E/O/D for week 1 -5
deca 400-600mg

So it should look like this

week 1-12 Test e or C 600mg
week 1-5 test P 100mg E/O/D
week 1-10 deca 400mg

now with deca forget about nolva use letro through out and for pct I always like HCG 500iu for 10 days followed by clomid for 2-3 weeks add Adex for Pct sice it's milder than the letro as keep in mind deca sides early mid cycle you can just use HCG 3X per week at 500iu for 2 weeks

[HGH4life]

U want a huge cycle , this is what I personally ran my last bulking cycle,and will be starting back this wk...
-Test Cyp, wk1-12 600mg's (frontload first day with 1200mg,s)
-Finaplix H converted into shot form, Wk1-12 2cc's about 250mg's eod
-Know u dont like orals, d-bols did nothing for me but try anadrol 50 by BD I guarantee for a kickstart, look to gain near 15lbs first two wk's.
(wk 1-6 anadrol50--wk1-2 50mg ed wk3-6 100mg ed.
I also run GH @ 5iu's 5on/2off This is great for keeping your gains, if ur money will let u..
-wk13-16 nolva 20mg ed, Clomid (normal sch.)
-

[Cat316]

Thanks guys alot its not that i dont like orals just i dont get a great result. I did d-bol the last cycle and started 30mg bumped up to 50 and saw nothing. My friend it helped but i guess its just not good for me

[noddy1]

Bro if your eating the correct calories and traing as hard as you f ck in can you will see results witout gear.. "I saw nothing with d bol" what a load of rubbish.

Your gear was fake or you were fooling around dude!!

Noddy

[LatinoPR]

Anyone on here that took EQ tell me your experience please

Not a huge bulking drug but VERY vascular for me,i loveit !!!
clean gains,i did with T Enan 750 and Eq @ 600,it was a good cycle.

[marcus300]

Your 21yrs old and want a big huge cycle??

You dont need any type of AAS at your age, i would reconsider before damage is done, i can believe how many people give advice to someone who shouldn't be cycling, do you really know what it does to people starting to young? the answer would be no you dont otherwise you wouldn't advice him to use AAS, Ive seen it to many times for not to warn people, starting to young does and will damage your own test levels up eventually.

[V_Vandetta]

Your 21yrs old and want a big huge cycle??

You dont need any type of AAS at your age, i would reconsider before damage is done, i can believe how many people give advice to someone who shouldn't be cycling, do you really know what it does to people starting to young? the answer would be no you dont otherwise you wouldn't advice him to use AAS, Ive seen it to many times for not to warn people, starting to young does and will damage your own test levels up eventually.

no dought you are right bro at 21 can cause problems .. But when guys decide that will do it no matter what people say .. and not only cause natty test problems but will harm organ fuction in the big picture .. But if guys are going to do it .. well better to have the right information and do it as safe as possible ... I have known a few football players that at a young age started HGH at the age of 21 and done real well ... But was that smart Not even .. but they had a good source of information and help ... So I gave him a cycle that was geared towards being on the safe side ... with a good PCT which is most important ... belive me when i say that AAS is a small part of the puzzle .. and DIET Is the number one key than training than Sleep rest ... but some will take that easy road ... but at least he will get the right info

[Kale]

no dought you are right bro at 21 can cause problems .. But when guys decide that will do it no matter what people say .. and not only cause natty test problems but will harm organ fuction in the big picture .. But if guys are going to do it .. well better to have the right information and do it as safe as possible ... I have known a few football players that at a young age started HGH at the age of 21 and done real well ... But was that smart Not even .. but they had a good source of information and help ... So I gave him a cycle that was geared towards being on the safe side ... with a good PCT which is most important ... belive me when i say that AAS is a small part of the puzzle .. and DIET Is the number one key than training than Sleep rest ... but some will take that easy road ... but at least he will get the right info

Or you could suggest doing this. Some people might be smart enough to take the advice

"What is the Right Age to Start Using Steroids?

By: Brandon Walsh
This article is being published in hopes of reaching some of the younger people, involved in our great sport of body building, reach their goals without making the great mistake of using steroids too early in their long lives. The problem with this is that most young bodybuilders (BBs) cannot grasp the concept of the future and how long the road ahead really is even with the use of steroids. How do you convince a 14 year old that it will take years before he can look like the Pro BB's in the magazines, and that he may never look like that even with all the drugs available in the world. Well that is what I hope to accomplish within this article.

At what age should you be, before you consider using steroids? This question is not as easily answered as you may think it is. You cannot randomly just pick an age and say that this is the point at which you can now start to consider using steroids.

Between the ages of 12 and 26 a male's hormone levels are on a steady rise until the age of 26. This is when these levels slowly start to decline until they are almost nonexistent by the ripe old age of 40.

When puberty starts in males at the age of 12 there is a huge flux in hormonal patterns in the body, which cause the growth of male characteristics, (deepening of the voice, growth of body hair, growth in height, etc.). These hormone levels increase by themselves so much that they can be compared to that of a mild steroid cycle. Therefore trying to add to what the body is doing on its own by adding in exogenous (outside) Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) is very counter productive.

Whenever any extra amount of AAS is added to the body, the body recognizes this extra level through a feedback loop in the human body known as the Hypothalamus. Once the Hypothalamus recognizes the increase in hormones which happens usually between 14 and 21 days, the body will shut off its own production of hormones until these levels decrease, along with increasing hormones to decrease these extra levels in the body (cortisone, estrogen). Cortisone and Estrogen are 2 hormones in the body that BBs do not need any extra. The easiest way to try to explain this without getting to complicated, is that the more AAS you put in your body, the more your body will try to lower those levels. When this happens BBs get all the side effects that are normally associated with AAS use, gynecomastia (growth of fatty tissue underneath the breasts in males), hair loss, kidney damage, liver damage, and high blood pressure, just to name a few).

Before you consider the use of AAS you should have already reached your genetic potential. What is your genetic potential? To figure this out you should first look at the weight, height and build of other members in your family. Is this exact, no, but it is somewhere to start. If every male on both sides of your family is approximately 5'7" and weighs between 150lbs and 170lbs and they are all bald by the age of 25, then it would be a good guess that you will also fall somewhere in those ranges by the time you stop growing. Now with working out and eating correctly for 4 years lets say, you would be able to put on 15 or more pounds of muscle tissue (that would mean you now weigh 165-185 lbs.). This is what your genetic potential would be. Now if you started to use steroids at that point, 165-185 lbs you may be able to put on another 15-20 lbs (180-200lbs). If you had started using when you were 125 lbs., and gained 25lbs through the use of steroids, you would still be well short of what you could have gotten naturally (150lbs as compared to 180-200lbs), and now it will be much harder to try to gain another 30-40lbs.

So for a starting point lets say that you need to be at least 18 years of age before you consider using steroids. Now that we have a starting point, lets look at a few other factors that should be considered. Steroids DO NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM makes up for a good diet and workout program. Most people who use AAS feel that this is the time where they can be a little more relaxed in their workouts and diet. Actually this is when they should be even more strict. So before you can think of using at the age of 18, you will need 3 more solid years of good training and eating habits. Minor changes in diet and workouts can result in great gains in mass and muscle as well as strength.

No matter how much assistance you get from AAS, without proper nutrition and workouts you will be lucky to have any gains at all, let alone keep them after the cycle is over. The goal of using any substance, legal or not should be that after you stop using it you don't loose all of that which you have fought to get. What would be the point of spending all that money (steroids are not free) to gain that 30lbs when you will loose it after the cycle is over anyway?

So the better question to ask instead of when can I take steroids, should be, what can I do to get all that I can out of my body without needing steroids?. In order to calculate my progress, I need to talk with my family and doctors, before I try to make a choice like that.

We will start with the age range of 14-16; this is when your hormones are raging. Your body is in full swing of making the best steroids that you can ever get, and it does all this without you even needing to do a single thing. At this point you should start with a solid exercise plan and a basic supplement plan in addition to the regular food that you need to be eating on a regular basis.

For workouts focus on the basic compound movements (Bench Press, Squats, Deadlifts, Barbell Curls, etc.) Working out 4 days a week with at least 8 hours of sleep a night is a great start. Add to that the extra protein that you should be taking and you will definitely start seeing a difference in your body. As for supplements, at this point all I would suggest is a good Meal Replacement Shake, multi-vitamin and creatine. Any shake will work, just add 2 shakes a day to the 3 solid meals that you should already be eating. Creatine has more benefits then I could start to explain in this article, but what I can say is that it will help your strength, muscle, speed, and recovery without any negative side effects.

By the age of 16-18 you will have had most of your growth spurts and you will be ready to change a few more things in your overall plan. You workouts can become a little more specialized as you start using different exercises. As for your nutrition program, all that I would think of adding now would be something such as extra glutamine before bed and maybe a ZMA supplement. You still don?t want to take anything that would alter what your body is doing on its own, so using ZMA and glutamine is just what you need.

Somewhere between 18 and 21 you should be just about done growing, so what should you do differently now? Add more protein! You should be getting at the very least, your body weight in grams of protein per day! And that?s at the very least! By now you will have been working out consistently for quite a while and should know your body very well. What will work and what won?t work should be old news. There isn?t really anything new to add to what is already a great program, other than Tribulus and maybe a pre-workout supplement such as Ultimate Orange. After this point, you can start to consider the use of steroids. What about them? Are they as terrible as everyone seems to think they are? As long as they are used correctly, I don?t think so. When considering their use, I feel that orals should be used as late as possible. These are most harmful on the body and therefore should not be used for a very long time.

Another thing to consider, other than the side effects I have already spoken of, is your sex drive. Some AAS will make your sex drive almost nonexistent and will have a big effect on your sperm count. These drugs in particular should try to be avoided. That leaves mild anabolics. Although they are the safest to use, they are expensive, illegal, and require the use of a needle. Which most first time users do not want to use.

I told you that this is not something that should be passed off very easily; you shouldn?t have to make the mistakes that most of us make by using steroids to early in your life. If used correctly, I think they are fine, but look at what it takes in order to use them correctly. Have you been working out for 5 years straight without more the 2 weeks off every 6 weeks? Do you eat every 2-3 hours, 6 times a day without missing a meal? Do you get 8 hours of sleep every night? This is something that can have a huge effect on your body for the rest of your life, so don?t make that choice in 10 minutes. Good luck and keep growing.

Designer Labs President / CEO *

[marcus300]

no dought you are right bro at 21 can cause problems .. But when guys decide that will do it no matter what people say .. and not only cause natty test problems but will harm organ fuction in the big picture .. But if guys are going to do it .. well better to have the right information and do it as safe as possible ... I have known a few football players that at a young age started HGH at the age of 21 and done real well ... But was that smart Not even .. but they had a good source of information and help ... So I gave him a cycle that was geared towards being on the safe side ... with a good PCT which is most important ... belive me when i say that AAS is a small part of the puzzle .. and DIET Is the number one key than training than Sleep rest ... but some will take that easy road ... but at least he will get the right info

I understand what your saying but there isnt any good cycle for him at his age, i dont think we should give him cycles because he is going to do it anyway, the best advice is not to cycle end off,

Ive seen it way to many times with friends and clients, the sexual problem what occur are drastic and the mental side is worse, even if proper pct in applied there is a good % what have major problems when they get older, alot will argue about this point and most will be younger bb's saying they haven't been effected and they are fine, but little do they know its in later life when problems raise there heads, HRT comes alot sooner and alsorts of mental problems, test seems to kill your own production when started young, i am only here to try and warned people that damage can and does occur, am not here to give cycles to people because they going to do it anyway.

[V_Vandetta]

I understand what your saying but there isnt any good cycle for him at his age, i dont think we should give him cycles because he is going to do it anyway, the best advice is not to cycle end off,

Ive seen it way to many times with friends and clients, the sexual problem what occur are drastic and the mental side is worse, even if proper pct in applied there is a good % what have major problems when they get older, alot will argue about this point and most will be younger bb's saying they haven't been effected and they are fine, but little do they know its in later life when problems raise there heads, HRT comes alot sooner and alsorts of mental problems, test seems to kill your own production when started young, i am only here to try and warned people that damage can and does occur, am not here to give cycles to people because they going to do it anyway.

I agree 100% they won't know untill much later .... on by than it's too late ... but the guy is on his 3rd cycle ... and I myself Have worked with guys in there early 20's with Low natty test levels hell i have seen where docs have given 18 year old guys HRT because fo early on problems ... BUt this is a point that has been beaten like a no other there are way to many guys looking for the easy road but its said when I see guys that get the wrong information and run there cycles Like bro's that have been in the game for years .. hell i just had a good friend call me up that his brother for his first cycle put 300mg of prop in his quad and cant walk LMAO it's not funny but come on not only that the guy told him to boil his pins and reuse them ... if he was'nt a good friend I would have told Him i dont know shit It's taboo to talk AAS but when shit like that happens Its sad ....

[Cat316]

I understand to some it is too young at 21...but like V said kids are thick headed better to give good advice than the cold shoulder and the f*** up during a cycle or get gyno and dont know what pct is...some of my football player friends were doing it at 17 and 18...i thought i was good waiting till 20

[marcus300]

I understand to some it is too young at 21...but like V said kids are thick headed better to give good advice than the cold shoulder and the f*** up during a cycle or get gyno and dont know what pct is...some of my football player friends were doing it at 17 and 18...i thought i was good waiting till 20

The only good advice at 21yrs old is not to cycle, personaly i wouldnt give you advice on a stack because your going to do it anyway or you already have, i would try to convince you to stop it or dont start it, ive seen to many problems to just ignore it and just give advice because your going to do it anyway.

[MrMeathead]

I understand to some it is too young at 21...but like V said kids are thick headed better to give good advice than the cold shoulder and the f*** up during a cycle or get gyno and dont know what pct is...some of my football player friends were doing it at 17 and 18...i thought i was good waiting till 20

Alot of these older bro's on this forum don't realize how much AAS is actually being used by teens and people in their early 20's now-a-days in my opinion soo they don't really know how common it is. I respect everyone on here for looking out for younger guys though 100%! People at my high school were on AAS at the age of 15. It sounds sick to me soo 17-18 isn't really a big deal to me.

[Kale]

Alot of these older bro's on this forum don't realize how much AAS is actually being used by teens and people in their early 20's now-a-days in my opinion soo they don't really know how common it is. I respect everyone on here for looking out for younger guys though 100%! People at my high school were on AAS at the age of 15. It sounds sick to me soo 17-18 isn't really a big deal to me.

Dude I have every idea how common it is, I see it in my gym all the time. I talk to these guys as well and they have no idea what the hell they are doing. Winny only cycles are the most common. The point is if we can even stop one guy from juicing to early then the effort is worth it IMO

[MrMeathead]

Dude I have every idea how common it is, I see it in my gym all the time. I talk to these guys as well and they have no idea what the hell they are doing. Winny only cycles are the most common. The point is if we can even stop one guy from juicing to early then the effort is worth it IMO

Yea, it is definately a major problem now-a-days especially in my high school years. Most of the coaches would push the gear usage on the kids they saw potential in as far as leading the team to victory. It is sad but true. As far as a winny only cycle being the most common cycle you see among teens you are 100% right. I hear people talking about how they are going to run a winny cycle to get ripped all the time. None of us were born with knowledge on AAS and we all were in their shoes at one point.