ECA or T3 between Clen?

**Dangerdan** · 08-16-2006, 01:55 PM

I'm trying to cut my bodyfat a couple points. I'm currently at around 12% and want to get under 10%. I"m taking clen two weeks on, two weeks off. I dont really want to lose any muscle, but it wouldn't kill me to lose a few pounds of muscle if the fat came off too. Would you guys recommend T3 or ECA stack for the two weeks between running clen?

Stats are 6'1, 215, 12%bf. Last cycle finished up about four weeks ago, put on 24lbs with a small increase in BF.

***perfectbeast2001*** · 08-16-2006, 02:06 PM

neither. The idea of 2 on 2 off is to let your beta 2 receptors up regulate after being down regulated by clen . Ephedrine will also down regulate these receptors and all others around them too (it is not selective like clen). T3 used on its own will waste muscle as well as fat so you might stack it with clen but i would not opt to use it between clen use. One way around these problems is to use clen with no off time. Every third week take benadryl every night (i use sleepease from Boots its the same active ingredient and cheaper) which will up regulate your receptors while remaining on clen. You may wish to add t3 as well. Many in USA use ketoifen or zaditen these work by the same action (up regulate receptors) but are used in a lower dose during the day. Some say this makes them sleepy so may not be suitable for everyone.

**Dangerdan** · 08-16-2006, 03:17 PM

What about an OTC non-ephedra thermogenic like thermo-shred? Are you saying this would have the same effect to down regulated the beta 2 receptors?

I was under the impression (based both off this board and others I know locally) that most people ran an eca stack between clen ?

**Dangerdan** · 08-16-2006, 03:19 PM

I'm not really against running clen straight through with benadryl, I just dont know anyone personally who has tried to run clen straight through. Perhaps I'll give the benadryl a try. Would you run T3 with teh benadryl and clen or wait until after the week of benadryl to start T3?

***perfectbeast2001*** · 08-16-2006, 03:30 PM

I have run it str8 with benadryl and it worked great. I would add t3 if i desperately needed to get in shape last minute for a comp but otherwise i would rely on cardio, diet then possibly clen . Non ephedra based products should be ok to run in between clen. Running eca in between clen is out dated and if ppl still do it then they have not fully understood how these products react within there bodies.

**Dangerdan** · 08-16-2006, 07:24 PM

Thanks for the info beast; guess its benadryl for me starting next week.

**Dangerdan** · 08-17-2006, 07:16 AM

Anyone else have an opinion or first hand experience with this?

**briansauras** · 08-17-2006, 07:23 AM

On your next cycle you could run t3 for 6wks with clen 2wks on/off with eca on the off weeks. t3 upgrades the receptors that clen downgrades. it would also help to take benedryl every 3rd wk.

**G-Force** · 08-17-2006, 07:25 AM

no other opinion needed

perfect beast said it all
good luck with your cycle

**G-Force** · 08-17-2006, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by briansauras

On your next cycle you could run t3 for 6wks with clen 2wks on/off with eca on the off weeks. t3 upgrades the receptors that clen downgrades. it would also help to take benedryl every 3rd wk.

i have never heard this before
do u have any more info on it?

**magic32** · 08-17-2006, 07:31 AM

Beast is right.
Many people run Clen intermittently with ECA inbetween, however consensus doesn't constitute correctness, never has. For example, regardless of how many people believed the earth was the center of the universe, or that it was flat for that matter didn't change the facts. Vascillating between the two or running them concurrently is a terrible idea, for the very reason Beast explained, and a couple more. It's apparent that you havent read the Clen profile, and you really should.

Once you understand how the compound works, you'll be better equiped to question its administration and comprehend dialogue regarding it:

Anabolic Review Profile: Clenbuterol

M.

**briansauras** · 08-17-2006, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by G-Force

i have never heard this before
do u have any more info on it?

yeah what do you need to know?

**G-Force** · 08-17-2006, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by briansauras

yeah what do you need to know?

well erm everything - this is the first i have heard of it

how does it work? how did u find out? and research papers on it? any articles?
does the same apply for T4?

**magic32** · 08-17-2006, 08:13 AM

Though your fervor is commendable, Brian would be unable to effectively relate all the nuisances of this drug.

For both general and specific information you should begin with the profile, then do some supplemental research/reading, here are some good starts:

Anabolic Review Profile: Cytomel (T3 - Liothyrine Sodium)
http://www.kingpharm.com/uploads/pdf...Cytomel_PI.pdf

M.

**briansauras** · 08-17-2006, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by magic32

Though your fervor is commendable, Brian would be unable to effectively relate all the nuisances of this drug.

For both general and specific information you should begin with the profile, then do some supplemental research/reading, here are some good starts:

Anabolic Review Profile: Cytomel (T3 - Liothyrine Sodium)
http://www.kingpharm.com/uploads/pdf...Cytomel_PI.pdf

M.

for real, im not about to write an article on t3/clen for this guy.

everything is explained in the profile and under t3/clen in the search bar

**G-Force** · 08-17-2006, 08:35 AM

thanks for the links magik

brian - i never asked u to write an article - i asked if u had any?
since u asked what i wanted know

what exactly is your problem

that P1ssing sign was not needed and definitely not appreciated

**briansauras** · 08-17-2006, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by G-Force

thanks for the links magik

brian - i never asked u to write an article - i asked if u had any?
since u asked what i wanted know

geez

Depending on your goals will determine what dose/duration you want to use. For cutting purposes 75-125mcg ED for 6wks along with clen (at whatever dose you perfer/6wks with ben or 2on/off) should suffice.

Im starting to see lots of people running it now with there lean mass/bulkers at anywhere from 12.5-50mcg ED to prevent fatty gains as well as enhanced protein synthesis. Next cycle (lean mass) I think I am going to try running it at 50mcg ED for the duration.

Ive been using t3/clen for the past 5wks @ 100mcg t3/150 clen. I think im going to continue use of it for 5 more wks until the end of my cycle and bump up the dose to 125mcg ED. Ive been using the 2wk on/off theory with the clen. Next time around Im going to try 6wks with ben and see which one yeilds better results for me.

**cfiler** · 08-17-2006, 10:53 AM

Easiest way to do it is:
Clen weeks 1-6
T3 Weeks 1-6
benadryl weeks 3 and 6.

**budlight1** · 08-17-2006, 11:20 AM

do you only have to take the benedryl at night or all day?

**Dangerdan** · 08-17-2006, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by magic32

. . . It's apparent that you havent read the Clen profile, and you really should. . .
M.

I have read the profile actually. (http://www.steroid.com/Clenbuterol.php). Although, believe it or not, I sometimes read more that just the information contained on this site

and not all "experts" agree on clen cycles. For example, this article offers different advice. (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/other19.htm) Specifically, the writer from bodybuilding suggests the two-on, two-off cycle with ephedrine in the off weeks. Here is another article suggesting a different cycle written by Jeff Behar (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/behar11.htm). Here is a third article advocating using an ECA stack in the off weeks. (http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-clenbuterol.asp).

So forgive me for posing a question on the board and forgive me for researching on more than one site.

Thanks to Beast, Bryan and G-Force for the advice. And as for magic

**briansauras** · 08-17-2006, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Dangerdan

I have read the profile actually. (http://www.steroid.com/Clenbuterol.php). Although, believe it or not, I sometimes read more that just the information contained on this site

and not all "experts" agree on clen cycles. For example, this article offers different advice. (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/other19.htm) Specifically, the writer from bodybuilding suggests the two-on, two-off cycle with ephedrine in the off weeks. Here is another article suggesting a different cycle written by Jeff Behar (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/behar11.htm). Here is a third article advocating using an ECA stack in the off weeks. (http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-clenbuterol.asp).

So forgive me for posing a question on the board and forgive me for researching on more than one site.

Thanks to Beast, Bryan and G-Force for the advice. And as for magic

Depending on your goals you can run 12.5-125mcg t3 for 6-whatever wks. As far as clen goes you just have to try both ways to see which one works the best for you. (2wk on/off, 6+wks with ben every 3rd wk)

I used ECA on my off time from clen. I felt like I still responded to it and when it came time for clen again i feel like it is the first time using.