For example if you use 900mg of test for 12 weeks on a cycle then use 600mg of test on your next cycle several months down the road will you still grow or would it be a waste?
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For example if you use 900mg of test for 12 weeks on a cycle then use 600mg of test on your next cycle several months down the road will you still grow or would it be a waste?
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ive always wonerded myself? bump
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You can grow off less dosages than you have used in the past as long as you have taken the proper time off and your receptors are clean.
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why not just start low and then just work your way up! you would be real suprised at how little it really takes to see results!
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I did start low I am just wondering about future cycles.Originally Posted by goosed
Regarding receptors I heard that letting them clear is a myth????
Retired VET~ If you dont know... ask me
Well remember AAS just help...what makes you GROW is your nutritional intake,Hard training and proper rest.You can take 5,000mgs a week but if all I mentioned is not there you dont have aprayer.
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see this is a good question and the answer is yes you will gain But not like the first ... your brain remembers everything every diet training everything and ajusts the body as such .. thus if taken 600mg for 12 weeks than even though you hit 400mg with clean receptors .... your brain remembers 600mg .... but you will get some gains but nothing like before thats why its key to start small and as the body grows more is required ....
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well put!
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i agree with you with the answer being YES.... but not with the whole brain theory.lol...
Retired VET~ If you dont know... ask me
^^^^no lie...LOL...your brain remembers the mgs....sure hope so!! thats how you distinguish the fact that you took a certain amount of something and determine whether you're going to take more or less.
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Jeez if some of you guys think you cant grow with lower doses with aas, what do you think about growing off of juice!?
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Bro LOL its very true ... the brain remebers what you eat when you trained ... and stores the data... thus when incounterd again the body responds just like muscle memory the brain recalls how much blood was needed to flow to a muscle based on size Thus same holds true
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Bro ...no disrespect...LOL.....but thats funny sh*t...show me some data on that please...reports ..something.
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so how do i get my body to remember how much beer it took for me to screw that fat girl and make it where it will automatically make me start puking before i get to that level again where i dont screw another fat girl? i like this theory!!!!!
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your kidding right? explain feast or famin state ... the gen basis of prime human fuction have no one ever studyed Phsyc 101 brain and body fuction why the body shuts down..????? well research you shall have LOL
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im the first to admit that the brain is a VERYYYYYYYYYYYYYY powerful thing and most things are mental.... but there are somethings that are just more physical then mental...AAS and growth being one... obviously the WILL of proper diet and training is mental...
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LMAO!!!!bro you made my night ...thanks bro....lol....I like your theory better.
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Feast or famine???...bro i asked you to back up that horse sh*t you're shoveling....but i want data and reports what you stated about the brain remembering the mgs....Ant the food you eat after a workout and the rest...and show us how it affects that fact of how much you will grow from 1 cycle to another while manipulating mgs.But I want real data not your made up theories and ideas.
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Muscle memory is a common term for neuromuscular facilitation, which is the process of the neuromuscular system memorizing motor skills. Even though the process is really brain-muscle memory or what some call motor memory, the nickname muscle memory is commonly used.
When an active person trains movement, often of the same activity, in an effort to stimulate the body’s adaptation process, the end result is to induce a physiological change such as increased levels of accuracy through repetition.
Individuals rely upon the body’s ability to assimilate a given activity and adapt to the training. As the brain and muscle adapts to training, the subsequent changes are a form or representation of its muscle memory.
There are two types of motor skills involved in muscle memory, fine and gross. Fine motor skills are very minute and small skills we perform with our hands such as brushing our teeth, combing our hair, or using a pencil or pen to write and even playing video games. Gross motor skills are those actions that require large body parts and large body movements like throwing sports (bowling, football, baseball), golfing, swimming, and tennis. The list goes on and on, from racing a car to archery.
Muscle memory is fashioned over time through repetition of a given motor skill and our ability through brain activity to remember it. When you first began to learn how to brush your teeth, comb your hair, or even drive a vehicle, you quickly realized it was not as easy as it looked.
As you reinforced those movements day after day after day, your neural system learned those fine and gross motor skills to the degree that you are no longer required to think about them, but merely react and perform.
Today, if you pick up your hair brush, you automatically have a certain motion, style, number of strokes, and amount of pressure as you brush your hair without thinking about each movement. When you drive your car, you just get in, start it and take off. It just happens without even thinking. That’s muscle memory. Think of it as a blueprint for the movement that is mapped in our brain over time creating motor memory.
For example, muscle memory starts with the visual cue. As our brains process the information about the desired activity and motion such as a golf swing, we then commit to that motion we think is correct. Over time, our accuracy and skills in performing the swing or movement improve.
Muscle memory is the control center of the movement. In maximizing muscle memory to learn a new motion you must practice that same motion over a long enough period so that it becomes automatic. This learning process could take months, even years, to perfect depending on the individual’s dedication to practice, and their unique biochemical neuromuscular learning system to retain that practice.
In detail, inside your brain are neurons (brain cells) that produce impulses, which carry tiny electrical currents. These currents cross the synapses (junctions) between neurons with chemical transporters called neurotransmitters to carry the communication. Neurotransmitters are the body’s communicative mechanisms and one of their many functions is to travel through the central nervous system and carry the signal from visual cue to the muscle for the contraction.
Although there are many types of neurotransmitters, the communicative ones primarily used in muscle memory is acetylcholine and the other is serotonin.
Acetylcholine is the major neurotransmitter used in memory, focus, concentration, and muscle memory. It is the substance that transports messages from one nerve cell to another. Acetylcholine is critical to the process of creating and remembering the muscle contraction. It achieves this through motor neurons (nerves that make the muscle contract).
Serotonin is imperative in the muscle memory process. Serotonin has multiple physiological actions at neuromuscular junctions where communication crosses over, this includes facilitation of transmitter release from nerve terminals and an increase in the communication to muscle fibers.
When a motor neuron depolarizes, an electrical current is passed down the nerve fiber and the impulse causes the neurotransmitter acetylcholine to be released to the muscle cell. Acetylcholine then binds with receptors on the muscle membrane to create the contraction. Over time, with acetylcholine the brain-muscle learns the chosen motion and induces it’s own form of memory. This process is also called neuromuscular facilitation. Once we create muscle memory and retain that blueprint in our brain we no longer have to think about the movement and free up brain activity for other activities.
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damn nice copy and paste but i'll read that tommorrow... just got off of work and dont feel like reading that much shit
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and not everyone believes muscle memory even exists
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Memory is the ability of an organism to store, retain, and subsequently recall information. Although traditional studies of memory began in the realms of philosophy, the late nineteenth and early twentieth century put memory within the paradigms of cognitive psychology. In the recent decades, it has become one of the principal pillars of a new branch of science that represents a marriage between cognitive psychology and neuroscience, called cognitive neuroscience.
There are several ways of classifying memories, based on duration, nature and retrieval of information. From an information processing perspective there are three main stages in the formation and retrieval of memory:
Encoding (processing and combining of received information)
Storage (creation of a permanent record of the encoded information)
Retrieval/Recall (calling back the stored information in response to some cue for use in some process or activity)
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1 Classification by duration
2 Classification by information type
3 Classification by temporal direction
4 Physiology
5 Disorders
6 Memorization
7 Artistic connections
8 See also
9 Further reading
10 Relevant quotes
11 References
12 External links
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Classification by duration
A basic and generally accepted classification of memory is based on the duration of memory retention, and identifies three distinct types of memory: sensory memory, short-term memory, and long-term memory.
The sensory memory corresponds approximately to the initial moment that an item is perceived. Some of this information in the sensory area proceeds to the sensory store, which is referred to as short-term memory. Sensory memory is characterized by the duration of memory retention from milliseconds to seconds and short-term memory from seconds to minutes.
These stores are generally characterised as of strictly limited capacity and duration, whereas in general stored information can be retrieved in a period of time which ranges from days to years; this type of memory is called long-term memory.
It may be that short-term memory is supported by transient changes in neuronal communication, whereas long-term memories are maintained by more stable and permanent changes in neural structure that are dependent on protein synthesis. Some psychologists, however, argue that the distinction between long- and short-term memories is arbitrary, and is merely a reflection of differing levels of activation within a single store.
If we are given a random seven-digit number, we may remember it only for a few seconds and then forget (short-term memory). On the other hand, we can remember telephone numbers for many years (assuming we use them often enough). Those long-lasting memories are said to be stored in long-term memory.
Additionally, the term working memory is used to refer to the short-term store needed for certain mental tasks - it is not a synonym for short-term memory, since it is defined not in terms of duration, but rather in terms of purpose. Some theories consider working memory to be the combination of short-term memory and some attentional control. For instance, when we are asked to mentally multiply 45 by 4, we have to perform a series of simple calculations (additions and multiplications) to arrive at the final answer. The ability to store the information regarding the instructions and intermediate results is what is referred to as working memory.
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Classification by information type
Long-term memory can be divided into declarative (explicit) and procedural (implicit) memories. (Anderson, 1976)
Declarative memory requires conscious recall, in that some conscious process must call back the information. It is sometimes called explicit memory, since it consists of information that is explicitly stored and retrieved.
Declarative memory can be further sub-divided into semantic memory, which concerns facts taken independent of context; and episodic memory, which concerns information specific to a particular context, such as a time and place. Semantic memory allows the encoding of abstract knowledge about the world, such as "Paris is the capital of France". Episodic memory, on the other hand, is used for more personal memories, such as the sensations, emotions, and personal associations of a particular place or time. Autobiographical memory - memory for particular events within one's own life - is generally viewed as either equivalent to, or a subset of, episodic memory. Visual memory is part of memory preserving some characteristics of our senses pertaining to visual experience. We are able to place in memory information that resembles objects, places, animals or people in sort of a mental image. Visual memory can result in priming and it is assumed some kind of perceptual representational system or PRS underlies this phenomenon. [1]
In contrast, procedural memory (or implicit memory) is not based on the conscious recall of information, but on implicit learning. Procedural memory is primarily employed in learning motor skills and should be considered a subset of implicit memory. It is revealed when we do better in a given task due only to repetition - no new explicit memories have been formed, but we are unconsciously accessing aspects of those previous experiences. Procedural memory involved in motor learning depends on the cerebellum and basal ganglia.
So far, nobody has successfully been able to isolate the time dependence of these suggested memory structures.
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Classification by temporal direction
Prospective Memory: Tying ribbon or string around a finger is the iconic mnemonic device for remembering a particular thought, which one consciously trains oneself to associate with the string.A further major way to distinguish different memory functions is whether the content to be remembered is in the past, retrospective memory, or whether the content is to be remembered in the future, prospective memory. Thus, retrospective memory as a category includes semantic memory and episodic/autobiographical memory. In contrast, prospective memory is memory for future intentions, or remembering to remember (Winograd, 1988). Prospective memory can be further broken down into event- and time-based prospective remembering. Time-based prospective memories are triggered by a time-cue, such as going to the doctor (action) at 4pm (cue). Event-based prospective memories are intentions triggered by cues, such as remembering to post a letter (action) after seeing a mailbox (cue). Cues do not need to be related to the action (as the mailbox example is), and lists, sticky-notes, knotted hankerchiefs, or string around the finger (see box) are all examples of cues that are produced by people as a strategy to enhance prospective memory.
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Physiology
Overall, the mechanisms of memory are not well understood. Brain areas such as the hippocampus, the amygdala, or the mammillary bodies are thought to be involved in certain kinds of memory. For example, the hippocampus is believed to be involved in spatial learning and declarative learning. Damage to certain areas in patients and animal models and subsequent memory deficits is a primary source of information. However, rather than implicating a specific area, it could be that damage to adjacent areas, or to a pathway traveling through the area is actually responsible for the observed deficit. Further, it is not sufficient to describe memory, and its counterpart, learning, as solely dependent on specific brain regions. Learning and memory are attributed to changes in neuronal synapses, thought to be mediated by long-term potentiation and long-term depression. Other scientists who have investigated the nature of memory, namely neurologists John Carew Eccles and Wilder Penfield and biologist Rupert Sheldrake, have suggested that memories are a field phenomenon and are not stored in the brain at all, but rather accessed through neurological structures.
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Disorders
Much of the current knowledge of memory has come from studying memory disorders. Loss of memory is known as amnesia. There are many sorts of amnesia, and by studying their different forms, it has become possible to observe apparent defects in individual sub-systems of the brain's memory systems, and thus hypothesize their function in the normally working brain. Other neurological disorders such as Alzheimer's disease can also affect memory and cognition.
While not a disorder, a common temporary failure of word retrieval from memory is the tip-of-the-tongue phenomenon.
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Memorization
Memorization, which often includes (but is not limited to) rote learning, is a method of learning that conditions an individual to recall important information verbatim. Rote rehearsal involves repetition, with the assumption that an individual can learn a necessary process or an amount of information through repetitive action or study, such to the point that it becomes near-automatic. This technique is the most often one used, though there are alternatives. In memorizing items such as words, it can often increase efficiency to be used during more involved techniques, such as story-telling. Related subjects include the spacing-effect, which shows that an individual is more likely to remember a list of items when rehearsal is spaced over an interval of time. (For example, in memorizing words such as dog, fish, house, book, it is more effective to rehearse dog-fish-house-book-dog-fish-house-book, etc., than dog-dog-fish-fish-house-house-book-book.)
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Artistic connections
Artworks often explore the nature of memory. The film Memento, about a man afflicted with anterograde amnesia, reflects on the nature and meaning of memory, and implications of its loss. The film Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind deals with the consequences of forcefully forgetting a loved one, and the regret that may bring. The paintings of Howard Hodgkin, while apparently abstract, are said by the artist to be representations of his memories and their emotional associations. The late works of the 20th-century composer Morton Feldman explore the nature of memory and methods through which it can be disorientated. Several works of the Czech author Milan Kundera explore the nature of personal memory in relation to social or historical memory, especially the novels Ignorance, The Book of Laughter and Forgetting, and Immortality. Perhaps the most renowned work of literature dealing largely with the concept of memory is Marcel Proust's monumental In Search of Lost Time. Many of Jorge Luis Borges's works explored memory, often as a symbol of the infinite. In Funes the Memorious, for example, a young man loses the ability to forget, and consequently the ability to generalize and reduce his experiences to abstract concepts. Several works by British playwright Harold Pinter also dramatize aspects of memory and are often referred to as his "memory plays," including his stage play and tv film Old Times, his stage play and tv film No Man's Land, his stage play and film Betrayal, his as-yet unfilmed The Proust Screenplay, based on In Search of Lost Time, by Marcel Proust, and his collaborative stage adaptation featuring the latter title.
Looking at wider cultural influences, Sigmund Freud's concept of memory has been extremely important to twentieth century art, especially as stated in his 1899 essay Screen Memories. In this essay he discussed the way in which mild and inoffensive childhood memories might "screen" other more frightening or dramatic ones. The masking of one memory by another, and its gradual revelation, has featured as a plot device in film, particularly, from Hitchcock's Spellbound, to Total Recall, to Ridley Scott's Blade Runner.
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Simple answer...yes.
Receptors have little to do with it, it's moreso what level you're body has naturally recovered to.
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BRo,,,LOL..i appreciate all that stuff you dug up ...but thats just another person's theory...but hey to eah his own...props to you for trying...LOL..in other words it still doesnt answer questions...infact it can open up a new can of worms.
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How Learning Changes the Brain
It's remarkable to consider that we can change our brains just by learning. Here's why:
Our brains are continually active as we go about our daily lives.
As we learn, our brains adapt to reflect the new information we feed them. Our life experiences literally shape our brains as we age. And, since no two people have the same kinds of experiences and learning, no two brains look exactly alike.
Our brains' ability to adjust their structures to reflect life experiences (scientists call this "plasticity") is what enables us to learn—and to change our brains by learning.
William T. Greenough, PhD, a Dana Alliance member and neurobiologist, explains how our brains work: "The adult brain, and even the adult aging brain, is fine-tuned by experience in both its performance and its abilities. [The brain] essentially organizes itself in accord with its experience to prepare for the future. Since one of the best predictors of future needs is past demands, having a brain that is optimally tuned to prior experience is ideal."
How and Why Our Brains Change
In our brains, plasticity (a brain's ability to adjust its structures to reflect life experiences) is reflected in many different ways.
Much of what we know about how our brains work as we learn comes from studies of laboratory animals engaged in experimental learning situations.
These studies lead us to believe that our brains can respond fairly quickly and stably when we're learning through experience.
Some of the changes that happen in the animals' "plastic brains" when learning occurs are:
Nerve cells form more and larger synapses
Capillaries (tiny blood vessels that connect veins and arteries) increase in certain areas of the brain, enhancing the flow of blood and oxygen to brain tissue (this may further benefit nerve cells and brain chemical systems)
Glial cells—the brain's supportive cells—increase in size and number
Myelin, the fatty sheath that wraps axons and enhances the transmission of nerve signals, may increase
New neurons may be created (neurogenesis) in the hippocampus, which may enhance learning performance
A genetic switch turns newly-learned information into long-term memories, triggering the formation of a new protein.
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lol.. find something on pubmed or anything with real refs and maybe we'll read that...
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bro The brain can remeber everything .. as far as what i am posting its research DATA that 's not theory .... so basicly you are say that the brain cant recall how much MG or what training well thats funny when its well know that the body will adapt and thus burn whats needed to complete a REPEATED task
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The brain has little to nothing to do with the amount of gear you use. The only direct function of the brain that can be physioligically proven is the absorption of nutrients, which the juice does nothing for when you look at the cells themselves.
Gear and how you use it depends on how much time you take off to recover AND what level your body currently is at. If you're producing 50mg of Test per week and you inject 150mg of Test, you will grow.
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Muscle 'Memory' May Thwart Diet Success
Contributed by Ron Gara| 12 October, 2005 15:57 GMT
Those wishing to reverse obesity through dietary interventions may be frustrated in their efforts. However, exercise is known to produce robust changes in muscle metabolism. For severely obese people who have trouble losing weight even when they stick to reduced-calorie diets, the explanation may lie in a surprising place -- their muscles. Skeletal muscle retains a metabolic memory of obesity that "programs" it to amass fat, suggests research published in Cell Metabolism.
But the news is not all bad. Exercise might be more successful than cutting calories in overriding the aberrant metabolic program in muscle, the researchers say, thereby improving the long-term prognosis of those prone to obesity.
Enzyme Implicated
The fat-building enzyme stearoyl-CoA desaturase-1 (SCD-1) is three times more abundant in muscle taken from obese people than in muscle from those who are lean, the researchers found. This elevation in enzyme activity points to an important link between obesity, diabetes and abnormal fat buildup in muscle, says study author Deborah Muoio of the Sarah W. Stedman Nutrition and Metabolism Center at Duke University Medical Center.
"Obesity and type 2 diabetes are strongly associated with abnormal lipid metabolism and the accumulation of fat droplets in muscle, but the underlying causes of these perturbations have been unknown," Muoio says. "We've now shown that SCD1 is at least a very important contributor to changes in lipid handling within muscle and the progression of obesity."
The researchers examined muscle removed from lean and obese patients during surgery. An earlier study had found that the obese individuals, while not diabetic, did show severe insulin resistance. The muscle of those individuals was laced with fat droplets and also showed a 43% decline in the ability to burn fat.
The research team developed a comprehensive profile of gene activity, which revealed a link between obesity and a three-fold increase in muscle SCD1 levels. That increase in enzyme expression and activity corresponded with diminished fat burning and changes in the fat composition of muscle. In contrast, many other genes with known roles in fat production did not differ between obese and lean people, the researchers report.
The differences between muscles of lean and obese donors persisted in primary myocytes -- cells poised to differentiate into muscle tissue. When forced to over-produce SCD1, muscle cells from lean individuals took on characteristics that mimicked those seen in the cells of obese people.
Importance of Exercise
The muscular abnormalities seen in obese individuals may stem from an inherited genetic predisposition or from imprinted defects in metabolic genes, Muoio suggests. Imprinting, or epigenetics, refers to permanent or semipermanent modification in gene activity states not conferred by changes in the underlying DNA sequence.
"Compelling evidence indicates that deviant nutrition during critical developmental periods can impose imprinted metabolic adaptations that persist into adulthood," report the researchers.
"Such observations suggest that transient environmental stress can trigger permanent alterations in metabolic control. Thus, our findings could reflect an epigenetic phenomenon in which obesity-induced modifications in gene activity provoke irreversible perturbations in SCD1 gene regulation," they note.
"While these findings may be somewhat discouraging news for those wishing to reverse obesity through dietary interventions, they also highlight the importance of exercise," Muoio points out.
Exercise is known to produce robust changes in muscle metabolism, she explains. Further study will examine whether increased physical activity can reverse the elevation in SCD1 or circumvent its effects through independent mechanisms, she adds.
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No i'm not saying that at all...the brain remembers cause of the cerebellum...right?????thats why you remember things...no my bro i'm not discounting the power of the brain(memory) not at all...just the all the other horse sh*T thats on there...again bro...you can paste everything you want ...it still proves NOTHING.
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lmao OK SO IN SHORT you are telling me with a masters degree in sports med that the brain dont know the difference from 50 mg or 100mg Ok i see that I am alone on this of do you think the body tells the brain what to do ?
and that when th body reaches extreme conditioning that the brain dont shut down system fuctions LOL OK ..... But just because you dont belive does not make it soo.. once there was a guy that said the world was round they laughed and said you are crazy But set out and proved them wrong ... just because the brain has not been maped out Dont make that what i am saying is false i will make sure i get all the information On this that is RESEARCH PROVEN and but in short thats why most people are closed minded they dont see outside the Box ... but hey If you dont want to belive than fine ..... Its funny than after 12 years in the sport and 10 on AAS I cant just run 200mg cycles and grow but hey
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I too have a degree in Kinesiology & Health Science...to talk about brain memory when relating to AAS is ridiculous and to use the argument that the brain controls everything is just as ridiculous. Obviously the brain controls every function in the body.
But to argue that the brain memory solely will directly influence your reaction to a certain level of juice is a theory and nothing more then that.
When I relate back to the cells absorption of nutrients, that's a fact. When I also state that your body will react to a higher dosage of Test or AAS compared directly to your current state, that's also a fact. Keyword is fact, not theory.
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After 10 years of juice you would figure that your body would've naturally accomodated and adjusted to what may be a 'normal' level of Testosterone hence your inability to react to a lower dosage.
In the same light, get off the gear for a few years and clean out your system, try to get your body used to being 'normal' and run 200mg. If you don't see results, you can kick me in my face.
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Sorry to keep this going, but you're CNS may be over-worked after your lengthy experience with both the sport and the sauce, you might need to use your degree to take a nap and give your body a break.
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LOL ok I see that with out the proven studies that this a dead issue ... but I say this Its funny that next you will tell me that gentics Is a myth as well and that even though you are a primary trate that you cant carry another ... well brotha to each his own but its cool that one can express him self and debate that in it's self is a good thing ....
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Jesus, I'll need to my brain to remember how much it hurt reading all of this.
This is Philosophy of the body Vandetta, No answers, Isolated cases cannot govern as a science.
Thats just my opinion.
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LMAO Ok boss take a nap you say remeber dont hate the player hate the game brotha ... and my friend i have taken a lay over not by choice ... but i see that you are the type of guy that insults when heated ... but hey I will sleep good tonight with my degree and my sauce under my pillow but thanks for the heads up
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true and point taken ... but there is proven science to this But I will post it when i have it down I need to bust out the old school books But very true thanks
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v vandetta you seem like a knowledgable bro and i hope you stick around... the board needs more newbies like u
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same with tactikz good to see some new memebers not just fishing for sources!
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