Bridging

**aaronswt84** · 08-17-2006, 09:27 AM

Anyone see a problem with this, Im currently on the first cycle, want to bridge into another one.
Test E-750mg ew - 14 wks
EQ-600mg ew - 12 wks
dbol 50mg ed - 4 wks
Winny 50mg ed- last 4 wks
PCT:
nolva- 6wks
proviron- 3 wks
HCG- 3 wks
anavar 10mg ed starting when cycle ends and going till next cycle begins right after my 6 wk pct
cycle two
Test E- 750mg ew - 14 wks
Primo or eq - 600mg ew- 12 wks
dbol 50mg ed- 4 wks
Anavar 60mg ed - 8+ wks

any opinons? Im 5'11, 203 lbs, 15% bf. I have a couple cycles under my belt. I am also considering starting some T3 with my current cycle.

**aaronswt84** · 08-17-2006, 10:24 AM

bump

***perfectbeast2001*** · 08-17-2006, 10:33 AM

Why do pct if you are going to continue to use AS? How about using igf and clen during your pct then running clen till your next cycle, or even better HGH. If i was going to bridge with AS i would use low dose test. 125-250mg per week.

**marcus300** · 08-17-2006, 10:48 AM

cruising/bridging/coasting are not ideal IMHO,
Its very hard to fully recover when you use these methods especially when you start young, the best gains are produced when your body is fresh and clean from gear if the priming is done correctly gains are amazing with each new cycle,

with every successive cycle after bridging/cruising you will have to keep increasing the dose just to get some kind of gains out of the cycle because basically your never off gear,your body gets use to what it is having so a increase is needed,

Ive been on all year round in the past with bridging cycles together and personally i would rather fully come off recover and maintain without any kind of cruising, the gains are far better and my body responds more,

Why saturate your body with AAS you end up starting hrt sooner? i wouldn't advice any younger BB to start bridging/cruising unless your willing to pay the price of it. your better off using various other compounds to increase Test levels naturally and to help recovery and maintain, all other avenues are worth trying before you think about cruising,

If you compete then yes could be something to look at....otherwise,for the novice person who cycles its just madness
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**aaronswt84** · 08-17-2006, 11:03 AM

marcus, thanks alot for your input, i appreciate it. I have been looking into doing shorter cycles but havent made the decision to try them yet, I guess you could say im scared of the high doses. Lucky for me I rarely get any sides from AAS use.

**Bigmax** · 08-17-2006, 11:31 AM

What are your cycle experiences bro????Is that your first one??

**aaronswt84** · 08-17-2006, 11:41 AM

no sir, i have done 3 cycles in the past, starting when i was 20. I had surgery a year and a half ago and lost all the gains i had made. Ive done test w/ deca, test w/ tren.

**DarKOmeN** · 08-17-2006, 11:53 AM

why cruise n risk more sides mate. if ur diet n trainings in check theres no need to CRUISE well thats my oppinion...

**aaronswt84** · 08-17-2006, 11:59 AM

diet and workout are in check. I wanted to get opinions helping me make the decision to take time off, or bridge, i think ill take time off.

**rodge** · 08-17-2006, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

cruising/bridging/coasting are not ideal IMHO,
Its very hard to fully recover when you use these methods especially when you start young, the best gains are produced when your body is fresh and clean from gear if the priming is done correctly gains are amazing with each new cycle,

with every successive cycle after bridging/cruising you will have to keep increasing the dose just to get some kind of gains out of the cycle because basically your never off gear,your body gets use to what it is having so a increase is needed,

Ive been on all year round in the past with bridging cycles together and personally i would rather fully come off recover and maintain without any kind of cruising, the gains are far better and my body responds more,

Why saturate your body with AAS you end up starting hrt sooner? i wouldn't advice any younger BB to start bridging/cruising unless your willing to pay the price of it. your better off using various other compounds to increase Test levels naturally and to help recovery and maintain, all other avenues are worth trying before you think about cruising,

If you compete then yes could be something to look at....otherwise,for the novice person who cycles its just madness
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solid advice.

-rodge

**V_Vandetta** · 08-17-2006, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

cruising/bridging/coasting are not ideal IMHO,
Its very hard to fully recover when you use these methods especially when you start young, the best gains are produced when your body is fresh and clean from gear if the priming is done correctly gains are amazing with each new cycle,

with every successive cycle after bridging/cruising you will have to keep increasing the dose just to get some kind of gains out of the cycle because basically your never off gear,your body gets use to what it is having so a increase is needed,

Ive been on all year round in the past with bridging cycles together and personally i would rather fully come off recover and maintain without any kind of cruising, the gains are far better and my body responds more,

Why saturate your body with AAS you end up starting hrt sooner? i wouldn't advice any younger BB to start bridging/cruising unless your willing to pay the price of it. your better off using various other compounds to increase Test levels naturally and to help recovery and maintain, all other avenues are worth trying before you think about cruising,

If you compete then yes could be something to look at....otherwise,for the novice person who cycles its just madness
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I have to agree here with this because .... I myself bridge have done so for many years .... But like stated in the early stages of this to bridge is not in the best intrest of your body ...... for me a bridge would be just test p at 50mg EOD 5 - 6 weeks but later on in years More and more is needed to achive the wanted gains ...... But on the flip side running 6 months HGH cycles and gear the other 4 with 2 months Off NOTHING plays havic on your system at least mine It did ......... but with only a few cycles i would say bridging is not the best idea

**mwolffey** · 08-17-2006, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by V_Vandetta

I have to agree here with this because .... I myself bridge have done so for many years .... But like stated in the early stages of this to bridge is not in the best intrest of your body ...... for me a bridge would be just test p at 50mg EOD 5 - 6 weeks but later on in years More and more is needed to achive the wanted gains ...... But on the flip side running 6 months HGH cycles and gear the other 4 with 2 months Off NOTHING plays havic on your system at least mine It did ......... but with only a few cycles i would say bridging is not the best idea

thats more of a cruise right???..most people bridge with non hormonal compounds,ie clen, or igf...right???

**slimsc** · 08-17-2006, 04:07 PM

Hey bros,
great thread...

**V_Vandetta** · 08-17-2006, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by mwolffey

thats more of a cruise right???..most people bridge with non hormonal compounds,ie clen, or igf...right???

cruise, bridge the last 2 years before my bike wreck I was on 10 months out of the year ...... so to me IMO bridge cruise same thing its not coming off... AND i might add that after all them years of AAS i got my blood work and every thing came back in normal range even my natty test B/P was a little high but nerves about the test or all the pizza while off LOL ....

i see you are from the burgh So am I

**mwolffey** · 08-17-2006, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by V_Vandetta

cruise, bridge the last 2 years before my bike wreck I was on 10 months out of the year ...... so to me IMO bridge cruise same thing its not coming off... AND i might add that after all them years of AAS i got my blood work and every thing came back in normal range even my natty test B/P was a little high but nerves about the test or all the pizza while off LOL ....

i see you are from the burgh So am I

interesting bro..thanks...pm sent

**one8nine** · 08-17-2006, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by mwolffey

thats more of a cruise right???..most people bridge with non hormonal compounds,ie clen, or igf...right???

i think some people decided officially this is the truth

but in reality everyone interchanged them and doesnt distingish

**marcus300** · 08-18-2006, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by aaronswt84

marcus, thanks alot for your input, i appreciate it. I have been looking into doing shorter cycles but havent made the decision to try them yet, I guess you could say im scared of the high doses. Lucky for me I rarely get any sides from AAS use.

you dont have to do high dosages to do short cycles..

**V_Vandetta** · 08-18-2006, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

you dont have to do high dosages to do short cycles..

damn brotha you have me peeked into the short cycle burst .... I have been reading up on a few things and it makes sense ... I might have to give this a shot but its hard teaching an old dog new tricks ...

**marcus300** · 08-18-2006, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by V_Vandetta

damn brotha you have me peeked into the short cycle burst .... I have been reading up on a few things and it makes sense ... I might have to give this a shot but its hard teaching an old dog new tricks ...

check my thread out-

**V_Vandetta** · 08-18-2006, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

check my thread out-

post a link if you can bro i think I read one a few days back

**marcus300** · 08-18-2006, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by V_Vandetta

post a link if you can bro i think I read one a few days back

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=224569

**V_Vandetta** · 08-18-2006, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=224569

very good read man and very interesting ... if one thing i have learned over the years is that there is a lot more to learn .... so when you are talking about training i assume that you are talking Isometric failure complete muscle .. brakdown of red fiber as for priming is 100% one when in theory of this methiod .... i think that I will do this and log it I have most of my loggs from over the years .... but i am week 6 of test e deca cycle first cycle back from the layover ... what i will do is run this out to 12 weeks cut it short pct and spend next 4-6 weeks priming as you have stated with precontest dieting .... But since i am new to this style I have no clue what to run my cycle now is which is mild

test E 1500mg aweek
deca 800mg
test P 200mg eod for week 1-6

my stats are
age 35
hight 5'11
weight 285# now ...about 15% Bf
cycle history over 10 years to many to name

here are a few pics I look like shit from the time off but wont take long to get back in
any ideas for the short cycle system

**V_Vandetta** · 08-18-2006, 11:17 AM

bump for marcus300

**aaronswt84** · 08-18-2006, 11:21 AM

I also am considering the short cycle, never done it, may give it a shot sometime next year, im currently on right now till november.

**V_Vandetta** · 08-18-2006, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by aaronswt84

I also am considering the short cycle, never done it, may give it a shot sometime next year, im currently on right now till november.

i am going to give it a whirl.. why not tryed just about every thing els

**aaronswt84** · 08-18-2006, 12:54 PM

your only suspose to use short esters for 6 weeks right?

**V_Vandetta** · 08-18-2006, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by aaronswt84

your only suspose to use short esters for 6 weeks right?

not sure bro waiting to hear back but i would imagine so since its only 4 weeks .. this style is un charted for me .. but makes great sense in theory and ... I am willing to bet it holds true ... but wont know until I try

**aaronswt84** · 08-18-2006, 12:59 PM

let me know what the doses look like, im curious

**marcus300** · 08-18-2006, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by V_Vandetta

bump for marcus300

With short cycles short ester's or long ester can be used, when long ester's are used the dose as to be large to get the benefit and this is normally done by very experienced BB's who know how their body's react to certain compounds and have a vast cycle history, normally short esters are used with the majority of short cycles,

Dosages are a very individual thing when it comes to short cycles, the whole idea is to shock the body into growth and keep the sides to a minimum and recover fast, personally i would judge the dose of a short cycle by the Bodybuilders cycle/dosage history, so this can have a vast difference between individuals,

Duration is a bit of a trial and error, i like doing short cycles around 30 days, this for me is ideal for excellent growth and minimum sides and recovery is fast, some extend this time to 6 weeks and some run shorter cycles around 14-21 days, i would say go with a planned cycle and if the gains are continuing then stay on for another wk and then re-valuate when gains have slowed down,

PCT should be run and stopped when you have recovered, many experience fast recovery and many don't again its down to the individual, pct is exactly the same as another cycle stay on till fully recovered but i would say the recovery will be faster than normal,

ONE very important thing with any cycle especially short cycles is to run a prime before the cycle for at least 6-8 weeks, this will put your body into a prime position and a very anabolic environment to make very fast muscle tissue gains for when you start the cycle, i cant express this enough how important this is to short cycling, Ive seen many people gain huge amounts when this is done correctly.
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**V_Vandetta** · 08-18-2006, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

With short cycles short ester's or long ester can be used, when long ester's are used the dose as to be large to get the benefit and this is normally done by very experienced BB's who know how their body's react to certain compounds and have a vast cycle history, normally short esters are used with the majority of short cycles,

Dosages are a very individual thing when it comes to short cycles, the whole idea is to shock the body into growth and keep the sides to a minimum and recover fast, personally i would judge the dose of a short cycle by the Bodybuilders cycle/dosage history, so this can have a vast difference between individuals,

Duration is a bit of a trial and error, i like doing short cycles around 30 days, this for me is ideal for excellent growth and minimum sides and recovery is fast, some extend this time to 6 weeks and some run shorter cycles around 14-21 days, i would say go with a planned cycle and if the gains are continuing then stay on for another wk and then re-valuate when gains have slowed down,

PCT should be run and stopped when you have recovered, many experience fast recovery and many don't again its down to the individual, pct is exactly the same as another cycle stay on till fully recovered but i would say the recovery will be faster than normal,

ONE very important thing with any cycle especially short cycles is to run a prime before the cycle for at least 6-8 weeks, this will put your body into a prime position and a very anabolic environment to make very fast muscle tissue gains for when you start the cycle, i cant express this enough how important this is to short cycling, Ive seen many people gain huge amounts when this is done correctly.
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but what kind of dosage ?? long estor or short i have access to just about anything ... as far as the training are you meaning training to muscle failure ..???

**marcus300** · 08-18-2006, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by V_Vandetta

but what kind of dosage ?? long estor or short i have access to just about anything ... as far as the training are you meaning training to muscle failure ..???

The dosage would depend on your cycle and dosage history to design a cycle around you, if you have in mind a heavy short cycle then large amounts are needed but only if you are advanced enough and have a good deal of cycle history and experience,

The training what goes hand in hand with short cycling is very very intense, something what can only be maintained for roughly the same amount of time your on cycle, many don't even reach this time and some go beyond it, its muscle failure with drop sets to failure, its the Dorian way of training and Ian's, very intense drop sets

**V_Vandetta** · 08-18-2006, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

The dosage would depend on your cycle and dosage history to design a cycle around you, if you have in mind a heavy short cycle then large amounts are needed but only if you are advanced enough and have a good deal of cycle history and experience,

The training what goes hand in hand with short cycling is very very intense, something what can only be maintained for roughly the same amount of time your on cycle, many don't even reach this time and some go beyond it, its muscle failure with drop sets to failure, its the Dorian way of training and Ian's, very intense drop sets

ok I am familure with muscle faluire and with drop sets i posted that i have been using gear for more than 10 years and have run 3g plus of a test compound .. so what you are saying is that i have to figure this out for myself

**marcus300** · 08-18-2006, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by V_Vandetta

ok I am familure with muscle faluire and with drop sets i posted that i have been using gear for more than 10 years and have run 3g plus of a test compound .. so what you are saying is that i have to figure this out for myself

Looks like i will have to spell it out for you, i will not disscuss dosages of heavy short cycles on this forum, ive stated this in my thread before, if some newbies think that they might try it cause its the goldern ticket and something bad happens i dont want this to happen so i am sorry i will not discuss on open forum.

OK V?

please pm me anytime with your cycle history and dosages and i will try and guide you into a short heavy cycle for you,

**V_Vandetta** · 08-18-2006, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Looks like i will have to spell it out for you, i will not disscuss dosages of heavy short cycles on this forum, ive stated this in my thread before, if some newbies think that they might try it cause its the goldern ticket and something bad happens i dont want this to happen so i am sorry i will not discuss on open forum.

OK V?

please pm me anytime with your cycle history and dosages and i will try and guide you into a short heavy cycle for you,

LOL I got ya brotha ... I knew that ... but wanted to make sure that you wanted to help with this .... and I understand about posting in an open fourm dosages ..... some might take it the wrong way .... But i cant PM is there something i am missing ? why is the Pm's blocked is the 45 day rule

**marcus300** · 08-18-2006, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by V_Vandetta

LOL I got ya brotha ... I knew that ... but wanted to make sure that you wanted to help with this .... and I understand about posting in an open fourm dosages ..... some might take it the wrong way .... But i cant PM is there something i am missing ? why is the Pm's blocked is the 45 day rule

Yes i am sorry the 45 day rule does apply LOL, i will help no probs mate,

i tell you what why dont you start to prime now while your waiting for the 45 day rule to be lifted on your account

**marcus300** · 08-18-2006, 02:01 PM

Hold on thas 45 days is for source checks not PM's sorry, you should be able to send pm's now.

**V_Vandetta** · 08-18-2006, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Yes i am sorry the 45 day rule does apply LOL, i will help no probs mate,

i tell you what why dont you start to prime now while your waiting for the 45 day rule to be lifted on your account

I am in week 6 of a test e deca cycle ... I was going to cut it short at 12 weeks than start the prime .... what do you think about DNP while priming I have had some of the best gains right after DNp cycles .. but any way thanks bro... I really look forward to trying this .. and I posted a few pics of me now aftyer the long layover from the bike wreck ....

**marcus300** · 08-18-2006, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by V_Vandetta

I am in week 6 of a test e deca cycle ... I was going to cut it short at 12 weeks than start the prime .... what do you think about DNP while priming I have had some of the best gains right after DNp cycles .. but any way thanks bro... I really look forward to trying this .. and I posted a few pics of me now aftyer the long layover from the bike wreck ....

dont prime in pct big mistake, increase calories in pct, wait till after to start.

**V_Vandetta** · 08-18-2006, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

dont prime in pct big mistake, increase calories in pct, wait till after to start.

got ya bro ... and thanks for the info

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