Is this first cycle decent?

**tard_zone** · 08-21-2006, 11:19 PM

The cycle posted on http://www.steroid.com/novicecycle2.php interests me (Novice Cycle #2-1, the first one). I was wondering if that is a good cycle, and could I change Testosterone Cypionate to Testosterone Enanthate . I am curious about the use and purpose of Vitamin B-6 though. What I really like about this cycle is it has my three favorite steroids (test eth., Deca , and D-Bol) and the use of Nolvadex throughout the cycle. Although some people say using Nolvadex throughout will effect the gains, I think it is better for me, due to I've already had gyno naturally w/o the use of steroids. Would that decrease my chances of it re-occuring? Post what you think of the cycle, and if you would make changes to it. Thanks for all the help

**powerlifter** · 08-22-2006, 01:27 AM

Test E and Cyp are basically interchangable - I seem to respond better to Cyp myself but there really should be no difference between the two of them. I myself would advise you to use Test only on your first cycle. Favorite steroids ? I thought you said this was your first cycle ?

**cutting_king** · 08-22-2006, 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by powerlifter

Test E and Cyp are basically interchangable - I seem to respond better to Cyp myself but there really should be no difference between the two of them. I myself would advise you to use Test only on your first cycle. Favorite steroids ? I thought you said this was your first cycle ?

I agree. I would strongly advise against running 3 coupounds for your 1st time. Especially when they all contribute to bloat quite a lot and you don't know how you will react.
For a 1st time you will gains will be excellent on just 1 compound. It doesn't necessarily have to be test but this is advisable
King

**GymRat83** · 08-22-2006, 07:51 AM

Totally agree, first cyle of test only. I gained over 30lbs running 500mg a week of Test E. Minimal water and fat, ate well and kept lean, and kept over 20lbs. of it. Why run more than you need to your first time.

**goalseeker** · 08-22-2006, 07:54 AM

yup... test only bro.....

**Dangerdan** · 08-22-2006, 08:37 AM

How are Test-E, Deca and D-bol your "favorites" if you haven't ever run a cycle before?

I would also advise sticking to one compound. Most folks suggest Test-E. I have had great results with a Deca only cycle as well although some folks dont respond well to deca by itself and I probably wouldn't recommend it to someone for their first cycle.

**tard_zone** · 08-22-2006, 12:10 PM

I know I haven't taken steroids before, but they are my favorites because of their bulking properties and thats the cycle I am about to enter, a bulking cycle. For a first cycle is there a perferable steroid ; test. e. or test cyp.? How much weekly would you recommend for a beginner; 500mg/week? How about the anti-estrogens, because I've had gyno naturally, what should I use and how much and when. Also am I at an increased risk of it reoccuring? Thanks for all the help guys, I'm new to this and I probally would have destroyed my body with out proper advice.

**V_Vandetta** · 08-22-2006, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by tard_zone

I know I haven't taken steroids before, but they are my favorites because of their bulking properties and thats the cycle I am about to enter, a bulking cycle. For a first cycle is there a perferable steroid; test. e. or test cyp.? How much weekly would you recommend for a beginner; 500mg/week? How about the anti-estrogens, because I've had gyno naturally, what should I use and how much and when. Also am I at an increased risk of it reoccuring? Thanks for all the help guys, I'm new to this and I probally would have destroyed my body with out proper advice.

bro whats your age training experiance .... ???

**Dangerdan** · 08-22-2006, 12:13 PM

Glad you came here for advise before jumping into things (I wish I had). Most people here are probably going to recommend 500mg test-E weekly. You may want to add in nolva during the cycle to protect against gyno. You might have better luck getting advice on the gyno issue in the PCT forum too.

**Swifto** · 08-22-2006, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by tard_zone

I know I haven't taken steroids before, but they are my favorites because of their bulking properties and thats the cycle I am about to enter, a bulking cycle. For a first cycle is there a perferable steroid; test. e. or test cyp.? How much weekly would you recommend for a beginner; 500mg/week? How about the anti-estrogens, because I've had gyno naturally, what should I use and how much and when. Also am I at an increased risk of it reoccuring? Thanks for all the help guys, I'm new to this and I probally would have destroyed my body with out proper advice.

Testosterone only 250-500mg/wk will suffice. Thats bulking cycle. There is no need for multiple compounds at all. Keep it simple or run the risk of more sides.

Yes, you'de be more gyno prone than someone with no problems during puberty. Run Aromasin 25mg/ED and Nolva on hand. If sides arise, run Nolva at 20mg/ED along with Aromsin. This could also be done for PCT. See how you respond to androgens that aromotase, you may not have any problems.

**skipp** · 08-22-2006, 12:28 PM

I'd say 500, skip 250 because your natural levels will be nil anyway.

But swifto is right, 1 compound first.

**tard_zone** · 08-22-2006, 03:11 PM

So I can use test e./test cyp. at 500 mg/week? How many weeks should I go for; about 10? Should I run Nolvadex from day one, or clomid, or what? I haven't done much research on anti estrogens or PCT, so now that I have the base of my cycle made, I just need to finish it up. So basically whats left to be decided is.

-10 weeks of test.?
-Should I cycle up/down with test.
-What's good as an anti-estrogen
-What's recommended as PCT?

thanks for the help once again, a lot of other boards have stuck up members that don't give advice

**Swifto** · 08-22-2006, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by tard_zone

So I can use test e./test cyp. at 500 mg/week? How many weeks should I go for; about 10? Should I run Nolvadex from day one, or clomid, or what? I haven't done much research on anti estrogens or PCT, so now that I have the base of my cycle made, I just need to finish it up. So basically whats left to be decided is.

-10 weeks of test.?
-Should I cycle up/down with test.
-What's good as an anti-estrogen
-What's recommended as PCT?

thanks for the help once again, a lot of other boards have stuck up members that don't give advice

Then do so. These are often the most important subjects. PCT IS the most important subject IMHO.

10-12 weeks. Aim for 10. If your still gaining, hit 12 then leave 14 days for Enan and start PCT.

Run Aromasin 25mg/EOD whilst "on" and keep Nolva on hand. Run at 20mg/ED if side arise, then a maintenence dose of 10mg/ED. Also run Aromasin 20mg/ED and Nolva 20mg/Ed for PCT.

Spend some time in the PCT forum. I;m not handing it to you on a plate. I run HCG /Nolva/Proviron . Read Hooker's PCT protocol.

**FullMoonHowlingWolf** · 08-22-2006, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by tard_zone

So I can use test e./test cyp. at 500 mg/week? How many weeks should I go for; about 10? Should I run Nolvadex from day one, or clomid, or what? I haven't done much research on anti estrogens or PCT, so now that I have the base of my cycle made, I just need to finish it up. So basically whats left to be decided is.

-10 weeks of test.? - 10 weeks Test E - 500 mgs a week.
-Should I cycle up/down with test. - no.
-What's good as an anti-estrogen - see below.
-What's recommended as PCT? - Clomid.

thanks for the help once again, a lot of other boards have stuck up members that don't give advice

How old are you and how long have you been training? Don't rush into anything and research more on the anti-estrogens before you start. Swifto gave you good advice on the anti-estrogens and being that you've had gyno naturally, you really want to make sure you are protected. Swifto’s advice copied from above “Yes, you'de be more gyno prone than someone with no problems during puberty. Run Aromasin 25mg/ED and Nolva on hand. If sides arise, run Nolva at 20mg/ED along with Aromsin. This could also be done for PCT. See how you respond to androgens that aromotase, you may not have any problems.”