Low dose Prop Vs Low dose Enan

**JDogg** · 08-22-2006, 12:48 PM

Hey, Ive already successfully completed two cyles in the last two years:

First cycle:

week 1-2: 300mg Propio/week
week 1-10 500mg Testo E/week
week 10-12 300mg Propio/week

Second cycle:

week 1-14 600mg Testo E/week
week 14-17 300mg Propio/week

For my third cyle, I want to keep the doses lower and run it for 6 months. I dont want to go over 300mg of juice a week. I'm torn between 300mg test E E5D or 100mg Prop E2D.

The most important thing to me is to build up clean mass with low water retention. I bloat and get big really easily(gained 40 lbs during my last cycle). I know that regularly Prop is the better choice for my goals, but I've seen a few people rum Test E at low doses successfully. Also, I'm pretty sure that injecting every second day will really get on my nerves after the first 10 weeks(Yes I know that 50mg Prop ED is also the injection interval and dose of most of the hardcore users here, but Im not that hardcore).

I really appreciate your input.

**V_Vandetta** · 08-22-2006, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by JDogg

Hey, Ive already successfully completed two cyles in the last two years:

First cycle:

week 1-2: 300mg Propio/week
week 1-10 500mg Testo E/week
week 10-12 300mg Propio/week

Second cycle:

week 1-14 600mg Testo E/week
week 14-17 300mg Propio/week

For my third cyle, I want to keep the doses lower and run it for 6 months. I dont want to go over 300mg of juice a week. I'm torn between 300mg test E E5D or 100mg Prop E2D.

The most important thing to me is to build up clean mass with low water retention. I bloat and get big really easily(gained 40 lbs during my last cycle). I know that regularly Prop is the better choice for my goals, but I've seen a few people rum Test E at low doses successfully. Also, I'm pretty sure that injecting every second day will really get on my nerves after the first 10 weeks.

I really appreciate your input.

bro before I comment let me make sure thats not a typo YOU WANT TO RUN LOW DOSE TEST FOR 6 MONTHS LIKE HRT ????

**SMAN12b** · 08-22-2006, 12:52 PM

How old are you?
Why you want to run for 6 months? that is a long time to be shut down and your gains are not going to continue for that long.

**V_Vandetta** · 08-22-2006, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by SMAN12B

How old are you?
Why you want to run for 6 months? that is a long time to be shut down and your gains are not going to continue for that long.

that was my point!!! iu wanted to make but wanted to make sure it was'nt a typeo

**JDogg** · 08-22-2006, 12:58 PM

Im 26. 6'3, 240 lbs. I plan on running for so long for the following reasons:

1) My axis is just as screwed after 6 weeks as it is after 6 months.

2) the gains come slower, but are cleaner and more solidified if u run a longer cycle

3) You dont lose as much after the cycle

4) Less side effects

I will be running HCG during the entire cycle in order to keep my balls from shriveling up. PCT with Clomid Nolva Zinc and all the good stuff I successfully ran in my last two cycle to get my hormones running again.

**V_Vandetta** · 08-22-2006, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by JDogg

Im 26. I plan on running for so long for the following reasons:

1) My axis is just as screwed after 6 weeks as it is after 6 months.

2) the gains come slower, but are cleaner and more solidified if u run a longer cycle

3) You dont lose as much after the cycle.

I will be running HCG during the entire cycle in order to keep my balls from shriveling up. PCT with Clomid Nolva Zonc and all the good stuff.

Ok bro let me just say this from PERSONAL experance I have run cycles all year well 2 months off started this around the age of 31 and you are right the gains are slower BUT body conditiong is a whole different set of rules for running long cycles forgot about HCG through out you will be shut down and down you will be and with only a few cycles behide you I would advise againest this .... you will be passing up some great gains but cycleg this way I did for several reason I had been training lots of years and taking AAS BUt the reason for 6months cycles was my HGH usage and just runng a few test compounds ... off season I would run 270 12%BF pounds and pre contest 255 6-8%BF I am 5"11

So IMO not a good plain I would say stick with the 12 weeks on and 14 weeks off and wait a good while before running long cycles Hell bro I am going to run the short cycle burst next run But going that long bro should be put off for some time

**Swifto** · 08-22-2006, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by JDogg

Im 26. 6'3, 240 lbs. I plan on running for so long for the following reasons:

1) My axis is just as screwed after 6 weeks as it is after 6 months. Na..6 weeks of shutdown isnt as bad as 6 months. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to work that one out.

2) the gains come slower, but are cleaner and more solidified if u run a longer cycle Possibly. Why not look into short 30 days burts, then 4-6 weeks "off" and go again?

3) You dont lose as much after the cycle No true IMO. Your take longer "off" and your body will find it hard to attain this "new muscle" IMO.
4) Less side effects Dont agree. More may be evident. Your SHBG is higher for longer, so is estrogen, DHT, testosterone, you have more chance of sides, the longer these hormones are imbalanced and higher than normal ranges IMHO. Recovery will also be harder as suppression/shutdown has taken effect for longer.
I will be running HCG during the entire cycle in order to keep my balls from shriveling up. PCT with Clomid Nolva Zinc and all the good stuff I successfully ran in my last two cycle to get my hormones running again. Problem is, they didnt go over 14 weeks of androgens that cause complete shutdown. Now you want to run a 24 weaker. Whats your age?

Your not looking at the wholse picture here.

Bolds.

Another thing. Gains usually slow at weeks 8-14. So changing compounds may be wise.

**JDogg** · 08-22-2006, 01:21 PM

30 day bursts then 4-6 weeks off? It sounds interesting, but it seems like that wont give me enough time to grow, OR recover

**Swifto** · 08-22-2006, 01:24 PM

I suggest you read Marcus's "Short/heavy cycles" explained thread and send him a PM.

I'm yet to do a short/heavy burst. But would if I were thinking of doing 6 months "on". You'de do 3 months "on" and 3 months "off", whilst, in theory, holding most of your gains.

**V_Vandetta** · 08-22-2006, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

I suggest you read Marcus's "Short/heavy cycles" explained thread and send him a PM.

I'm yet to do a short/heavy burst. But would if I were thinking of doing 6 months "on". You'de do 3 months "on" and 3 months "off", whilst, in theory, holding most of your gains.

agreed I have been looking in to this for a while now and if conditions are right It will work in theory ... thus priming, But marcus's therads on this you should read on this .. but i am going to give this a shot and see cant hurt

**Swifto** · 08-22-2006, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by V_Vandetta

agreed I have been looking in to this for a while now and if conditions are right It will work in theory ... thus priming, But marcus's therads on this you should read on this .. but i am going to give this a shot and see cant hurt

I will soon too. Possibly early next year.