halo, prop, tren, 4th cycle. please help!

[fabry]

hello,
can u please help me with this?

1st)
im planning my 4th cycle.
goals: strength, cut.. lean mass..
i was thinking to do:
1-4/5 halo (not sure about dosage.. 20mg/ed?... 30mg/ed?
1-8/9 prop 120mg eod (or 140?)
1-7/8 tren ace 100mg eod
pct with nolva and clomid

can u help me with dosages? and best anti e's with these drugs?

2nd)
what about furazabol instead of halo? good for strength or halo?

thanks guys... your help will be appreciated...

ciao

[masterjuice]

im planning on a simalir cycle
1-12 prop 200 mg eod
1-8 tren a 100 mg eod
2-6 halo 30 mgs ed
but i was gonna hit up some igf and at the end of the cycle with some clen to get really cut up for anti e i like nolva

wat do you think about pushing back the tren to week 4 and using npp for the first 3 or 4 weeks at about 300 mgs a week??? would that be ok?

[cantspeak]

you should run the prop and tren ED IMHO.the halo probably at 30mg ed

[fabry]

i tried both ed and eod inj and didnt find such a difference.. and if i can avoid few shots, i prefer!

master, why do you stard halo on wk 2?
and why npp?

[masterjuice]

i have a whole bunch of npp at my crib, and i have a couple buddies that blew up with it, and i usually dont take the orals until i feel that the injects are working fine. its just suttin i do as a safe guard

[fabry]

blew for water or real gains?

[pdog80]

NPP and tren are both progesterones, so either pick one or the either or it'll be progestin nightmare for you. Besides that, cycle looks fine, although ed shots would be better than eod.

[masterjuice]

ill take the tren over the npp then would it be ok for me to hit some winny inject when im done with the halo?

[pdog80]

Errr....you could, but halo's really hard on your liver and so is winny, so running those 2 compounds one after the other will stress your liver out. Don't get me wrong though, it can be done, but I wouldn't recommend it.

[one8nine]

i didnt feel shit on 20 or 30mg halo and im ~205 40 is a good number if you ask me

also people say you dont gain size on halo but i believe i have gained about 3-4 pounds of lean mass since the start of using it. but this oculd be natural and not halo related (im on halo only right now, about to drop it saturday to pick up prop, masteron , npp)

shoot ED bro youll get so much better results and more stable blood levels. after your last shot you starty pct 2-3 days later.. think about how similar that is to eod injections...

for example.. test e.. pct = 14 days later.. would you do e7d or e10d injections of that? just barely short of the pct start time?

[one8nine]

anti e: masteron 150mg ed :-D that will do it

[auslifta]

tren wk 2-7, prop wk 1-9, halo 30mg/ed wk 1-4, good idea to start prop one week before tren and two weeks after. PCT two weeks after last injection.thats what ive read quite a few places.good idea to take T3 25mg ED while on tren for prolactin levels.

[Standard01]

I agree with 189, 40 maybe even 50 mg Halo. 30 did little for me, but when I hit 50 I really noticed it.

[fabry]

tren wk 2-7, prop wk 1-9, halo 30mg/ed wk 1-4, good idea to start prop one week before tren and two weeks after. PCT two weeks after last injection.thats what ive read quite a few places.good idea to take T3 25mg ED while on tren for prolactin levels.

pct 2 wks after last PROP shot? never heard that for PROP.. and really dont undrstand the point...
same.. why tren 1 wk after prop?

for prolactn level ill use dostinex, but will think about t3 too!!

cycle will probably be:
1-4 halo 30mg ed
1-9 prop 120mg eod
1-7 tren a 100mg eod


thank u!!!!!!!!!

[taiboxa]

pct 2 wks after last PROP shot? never heard that for PROP.. and really dont undrstand the point...
same.. why tren 1 wk after prop?

for prolactn level ill use dostinex, but will think about t3 too!!

cycle will probably be:
1-4 halo 30mg ed
1-9 prop 120mg eod
1-7 tren a 100mg eod


thank u!!!!!!!!!

Up halo to 40 if u used i before... its not that harsh at all
shoo tren ED Trust me on that
extend both prop and tren 1 week atleast ... ur doses tooo low for short cycle

[masterjuice]

my cycle is very close to this one, i wanna hit up some igf when would u guys suggest taking it? pct or before

[fabry]

Up halo to 40 if u used i before... its not that harsh at all
shoo tren ED Trust me on that
extend both prop and tren 1 week atleast ... ur doses tooo low for short cycle

never used halo before so i prefer to go easy.

what about this (prop dosage a bit higer):

1-4.5 halo 30mg ed (in 4.5 wks i will finish my 100 tabs!)
1-8 prop 140mg (1.4ml) eod
1-7.5 tren a 105mg (1.4ml) eod
1-8 letro 1.25 eod <--- is this ok or too much (i can only get 2.5mg pills!!!) 1-8 dostinex 0.5 e3d
(nolva on hand)

9-12 pct with nolva and clomid


forgot to ask... will this stack give me STRENGTH??? real strength?

please correct or suggest if you think to do...
thanks

[fabry]

bump!!!

[masterjuice]

i may hit the tren and prop ed but ur gonna take letro the whole cycle, bc i usually take nolva?

[briansauras]

never used halo before so i prefer to go easy.

what about this (prop dosage a bit higer):

1-4.5 halo 30mg ed (in 4.5 wks i will finish my 100 tabs!)
1-8 prop 140mg (1.4ml) eod
1-7.5 tren a 105mg (1.4ml) eod
1-8 letro 1.25 eod <--- is this ok or too much (i can only get 2.5mg pills!!!) 1-8 dostinex 0.5 e3d
(nolva on hand)

9-12 pct with nolva and clomid


forgot to ask... will this stack give me STRENGTH??? real strength?

please correct or suggest if you think to do...
thanks

Listen to tai bro.

wk1-10 prop 100mg ED
wk1-9 tren 75mg ED
wk7-PCT halo 40mg ED
wk0-PCT letro 0.25-0.50mg ED. If you are gyno prone run 1.25mg ED.

PCT- 3 days after last prop shot/24hrs after last halo cap.
day1-30 100mg clomid ED
day1-recovered 20mg nolva ED

How much strength you gain will depend on your diet/training. But this is deff a great cycle!

[fabry]

Listen to tai bro.

wk1-10 prop 100mg ED
wk1-9 tren 75mg ED
wk7-PCT halo 40mg ED
wk0-PCT letro 0.25-0.50mg ED. If you are gyno prone run 1.25mg ED.

PCT- 3 days after last prop shot/24hrs after last halo cap.
day1-30 100mg clomid ED
day1-recovered 20mg nolva ED

How much strength you gain will depend on your diet/training. But this is deff a great cycle!

ok, let's go with this (but not higer dosage!):

1-9 prop 80mg ed
1-7.5 tren 60mg ed
5-9 halo 30mg ed
1-9 letro 1.25 eod
1.9 dostinex 0.5 e3d
(1-9 nolva on hand)
pct with clomid and nolva


ok?

[briansauras]

ok, let's go with this (but not higer dosage!):

1-9 prop 80mg ed
1-7.5 tren 60mg ed
5-9 halo 30mg ed
1-9 letro 1.25 eod
1.9 dostinex 0.5 e3d
(1-9 nolva on hand)
pct with clomid and nolva


ok?

thats the same thing you posted before. run letro ed and you dont need nolva if you are running an ai. Is the reason you are only running 9/7.5 because thats all the gear you have?

I am pretty much running the same doses except 75mg tren in my cutting cycle. if you are looking for lean mass/strength and its your 4th cycle. i would raise some doses.

[fabry]

no, its not same.
1st: ed shots
2nd: higher dosage test 140 eod and tren 105 eod is lower than test 80 ed and tren 60 eod!)
3rd: moved halo from beginning to end of cycle.

and nolva on hand does only means that i will have it ready in case i need it.

why only 9/7.5? i dont want to make a long cycle.. wil start mid sept, beginning of october and want to end all, including pct, 3 months in total, beforre xmas!

[fabry]

up!!!

[LatinoPR]

Halo @ 40/day,split 2x a day.



LPR ...dermatology.

[fabry]

would u run halo beginnin or end of cycle?
isnt 40mg ed a bit too much for liver?
thansks

[briansauras]

would u run halo beginnin or end of cycle?
isnt 40mg ed a bit too much for liver?
thansks

No, thats a normal dose and run it at the end.

[one8nine]

tren wk 2-7, prop wk 1-9, halo 30mg/ed wk 1-4, good idea to start prop one week before tren and two weeks after. PCT two weeks after last injection.thats what ive read quite a few places.good idea to take T3 25mg ED while on tren for prolactin levels.

please dont give advice about things you are not sure about or someone could get hurt
enantate ester = start pct 14 days after last injection
he neevr talked about an enanthate ester
hes using prop... 2-3 days after last injection

[one8nine]

ok, let's go with this (but not higer dosage!):

1-9 prop 80mg ed

1-7.5 tren 60mg ed
change to 1-9

5-9 halo 30mg ed
change to 7-11.. also personally i would sue more i think toxicity is overrated also how intense halo is at low doses.. 40mg is minimum, in my eyes

1-9 letro 1.25 eod
change to .25mg-.5mg ed.. start at .25 and move up if you really need to but letro is pretty strong mg for mg... its oral it wont hurt you to take every day and also youll remember its every day .. i know sometimes on eod stuff im like... did i take it yesterday or was that the day before????.. also more stable blood levels

1-9 dostinex 0.5 e3d
i dont have any studies on this or anything other than my own belief but if you could use it through pct also that could help with recovery and possibly sex drive
(1-9 nolva on hand)
pct with clomid and nolva


ok?

this is what i would do personaly.. so you can use tren longer and not spend one day without being at the highest range of anabolism...
you see you cut both prop and ten week 9 but for 14 days aftter you keep taking halo.. you wait for the esters to clear and then the dat after the last day you eat your halo you go right into pct

also you might want to considder a little hcg , you dont NEED it, but with 9 weeks of tren it would be a great tool

also depending on how many places you are going to inject that could help you to be sure of the days you use caber...
for example i shoot in this order
right shoulder (caber)
right cheek
right thigh
left shoulder (caber)
left shoulder
left thigh

so because i shoot shoulders e3d i always remember shoulder day = caber day

[briansauras]

this is what i would do personaly.. so you can use tren longer and not spend one day without being at the highest range of anabolism...
you see you cut both prop and ten week 9 but for 14 days aftter you keep taking halo.. you wait for the esters to clear and then the dat after the last day you eat your halo you go right into pct

also you might want to considder a little hcg , you dont NEED it, but with 9 weeks of tren it would be a great tool

also depending on how many places you are going to inject that could help you to be sure of the days you use caber...
for example i shoot in this order
right shoulder (caber)
right cheek
right thigh
left shoulder (caber)
left shoulder
left thigh

so because i shoot shoulders e3d i always remember shoulder day = caber day

the tren should be stopped 1 wk before the test. and why should he run halo 2 wks after last prop injection? he said he didnt want to run a cycle longer then 9 wks.

prop 1-9
tren 1-7/8
halo 5-pct(3days after last prop shot)


and what is a caber?

[one8nine]

dostinex(brand name) = caber(generic)

explain to me why test needs to be run longer?
in this case it does because he wont go past 9 weeks, sorry i missed that part

if you run the halo after you cut the tren and the test then you have 14 days for all that shit to clear... and that measn theres no need to cut tren first... you only cut tren first when you are dong pct right after last prop shot because its out of your system in slightly longer time due to its motabolites despite its barely noticably shorter ester than prop

so i guess in this case its good what you said.. this

prop 1-9
tren 1-7/8
halo 5-pct(3days after last prop shot)

but if you are willing to go to week 11.. which i dont think would be a huge difference.. 1 week short of 2 months compared to 1 week past 2 months... and you do it my way then all those injectables will be 100% gone by pct.. and youll have no days where you are not using some sort of anabolic ,, but the way suggested before my post before this would be ideal if you will only go 9 weeks

[briansauras]

dostinex(brand name) = caber(generic)

explain to me why test needs to be run longer?
in this case it does because he wont go past 9 weeks, sorry i missed that part

if you run the halo after you cut the tren and the test then you have 14 days for all that shit to clear... and that measn theres no need to cut tren first... you only cut tren first when you are dong pct right after last prop shot because its out of your system in slightly longer time due to its motabolites despite its barely noticably shorter ester than prop

so i guess in this case its good what you said.. this



but if you are willing to go to week 11.. which i dont think would be a huge difference.. 1 week short of 2 months compared to 1 week past 2 months... and you do it my way then all those injectables will be 11% gone by pct.. and youll have no days where you are not using some sort of anabolic,, but the way suggested before my post before this would be ideal if you will only go 9 weeks

Why do you need 14 days for it to clear? Its prop/ace ester. you start pct 3days after last inj. If you are running halo til wk11 why not extend tren9-10 and prop 11. its just common to run test one wk longer then other compound in cycle. i mean if you are using test as a base of course.

[one8nine]

Why do you need 14 days for it to clear? Its prop/ace ester. you start pct 3days after last inj. If you are running halo til wk11 why not extend tren9-10 and prop 11. its just common to run test one wk longer then other compound in cycle. i mean if you are using test as a base of course.

its common because you need the ester to clear and tren has more motabolites.. meaning you would start 6-10 days after last tren a injection due to the fact that the hormone itself stays around longer, while with test prop the hormone clears much sooner, even though the prop ester is slightly longer than the ace ester.. so thats why pct 2-3 days after last prop injection

my point is the REASON you cut tren is so it clears, but you start pct when the levels are LOW ENOUGH but it is still in your system just a little.. it may truly out 100% in 5-6 days for prop and 10-15 days in tren with no trace at all.. if you understand half life youll understand what im saying

well if you continue halo longer which has such a low low low half life even in comparison to prop and tren for 14 more days then the other hormones will be 100% out of your system

so you have 3 days before pct and i believe 1 if not 2 or 3 days after you have started pct when you really dont recover at all because you still have atleast a little hormone in your body, and the only thing thats happening is your levels are dropping for those 4-6 days, where as of you continue halo past the esters and start pct day after halo you start to recover then because you have NO hormone in your body other than your own, because everything is clear, so you go from one day of still being anabolic to an appreciable degree to the next day begining recovery right away

and to answer your question of why not extend tren and test, if i have not already 10 times, is the idea is BASED ON the wanting those 2 to clear and if you cut them at the same time then whats different from cutting the whole cycle at week 9???

you say "its just common to run test longer" i say tell me why. because most people do it? or because a lot of other hormones stick around longer?

when people cut test enan and then continue winny or masteron for 2-4 weeks after last injection of test that is a very similar principal as what i am getting at with my suggestion. or do you disagree with that too?

also, i have no proof or studies only logic, to say that halo is one of the lest supressive drugs, and as test and tren will SHUT YOU DOWN to 0% test produced, i believe that after you cut them.. your levels will start to go to where halo would supress them.. say 40% supression, because theres nothing there to keep it down 100%.. maybe you wont bounce form 0% to 60% in 2-3 weeks but even if i go from 0% to 10% thats great for me because thats 10% of the battle to recover won before i even start pct. but this is not the basis of my argument i am only throwing in another idea.