new cycle

**Haro3** · 08-22-2006, 08:14 PM

So i've finally decided on test and dbol
test e 500mg 250mg twice a week for 12 weeks
dbol 30 mgs 10mgs 3 times a day for 4 weeks

my question is, is HCG necessary? my friend wants to you use it, we're doing the same cycle i was going to stick with basic clomi/nolva pct. I always thought HCG was for harder cycles?

**STEROIDZZ** · 08-22-2006, 08:18 PM

sounds like a good cycle... considering its your first cycle... hit the dbol from 30mg to 50mg probably 30 as you suggested for the first 4 wks... test looks good.... but my advice is to keep a ANTI-E while on ccyle... such as nolva... letro.. or arimidex ... i prefer letro..... but yes your pct should include BOTH nolva. and clomid... clomid at 100mg ed.. and nolva 20mg ed... i get the combo so its easier

**Haro3** · 08-22-2006, 08:20 PM

yea i havent decided 100% on the clomid because i've heard so many mixed opinions, i was really more curious on HCG if i need it or not

**STEROIDZZ** · 08-22-2006, 08:28 PM

as far as HCG im not too familiar with it.. sorry i coudlnt help any further but i still suggest clomid over it

IMO

**cfiler** · 08-22-2006, 08:34 PM

Your cycle looks fine. The HCG is not needed, but definately suggested.

I would use clomid and nolvadex for the PCT.

If you are prone to estrogen related sides, then use a anti-e through out the cycle. If not, then just keep some nolva on hand incase something does seem to occur.

**cfiler** · 08-22-2006, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by STEROIDZZ

sounds like a good cycle... considering its your first cycle... hit the dbol from 30mg to 50mg probably 30 as you suggested for the first 4 wks... test looks good.... but my advice is to keep a ANTI-E while on ccyle... such as nolva... letro.. or arimidex... i prefer letro..... but yes your pct should include BOTH nolva. and clomid... clomid at 100mg ed.. and nolva 20mg ed... i get the combo so its easier

No need to go that heavy. For a first cycle, 30mgs dbol ed, is more than enough.

**Haro3** · 08-22-2006, 08:40 PM

thx guys

**STEROIDZZ** · 08-22-2006, 08:40 PM

Cfiler im glad your always there to back me up on what i say.. i guess no one wants to listen to me hahaha.... but with you backing me up they will learn too

.... as i said Clomid / NOlva Best PCT combo

**Haro3** · 08-22-2006, 08:41 PM

also i was thinkin about changing up my routine once i start and going with a push/legs/pull routine one day on one day off etc anyone had luck with this routine while on or is something else suggested while on cycle?

**STEROIDZZ** · 08-22-2006, 08:43 PM

heavy weights, hard training, a lot of calories.... a lot of protein.... 8 to 12 reputitions per set ... those are the keys to maximizing your results using AA"s as far as going 1 day on 1 day off.. i dont like that routine.. i get my stuff done and the days im not lifting i run.. but its yoru choice

**Haro3** · 08-22-2006, 08:58 PM

ok just something i read i was thinkin about trying out. i've got diet down just contemplating new routines

**STEROIDZZ** · 08-22-2006, 09:04 PM

Well what your doing now if you have been running it the sam eway as in sam exercies... same days... switch it up .. .like every 8 wks add something.. or replace something.... its all in how you shock the muscle... but i dont think the one day on one day off would work... you can try different exerces... ect....

**Superballer** · 08-23-2006, 12:24 AM

If this wouldn't necessarily be a good cycle where HCG is necessary, when would be a good time/cycle to incorporate it?

**STEROIDZZ** · 08-23-2006, 11:24 AM

Ill leave that up to someoen who has more familiar with HCG sorry coudlnt help more

**Bigmax** · 08-23-2006, 11:31 AM

HCG can and will be used during or after any cycle...also more recommended for heavier dosed and prolonged cycles.

**Haro3** · 08-23-2006, 04:52 PM

thx big max, i thought it was geared more towards high dosage or longer time periods.

**Haro3** · 08-23-2006, 05:16 PM

revised cycle

weeks compound dosage
1-12 test e. 500mg/week (split into 2 injections)
1-4 d-bol 30mg/day (split into 3 @ 10mg through the day)
1-18 arimidex .25mg/day

PCT
14-18 clomid 100mg/day(2 weeks) 50mg/day (remaining 2 weeks)
14-18 nolva 20mg/day
(will extend pct if neccesary)

the two week time period between my last injection and start of PCT i should continue the arimidex correct? and its ok to run with clomid and nolva all the way through PCT?