~~First cycle Critique

[Growingpains]

I am planning a perfect first cycle.

Here is what I have decided I think.

1-4 100 mgs/ Test P EOD
1-12 Test E @ 500 mgs/week - with injections monday morning and thursday afternoon.

I was thinking about taking 30-40 mgs/day of Dbol for weeks 1-4 but I am weary of the bloat and the lack of retaining gains.

I plan on using the bulk diets from this forum.

For PCT by Anthony Roberts, I will keep nolva and letro on hand in case of gyno.

I plan on using a 23 g 1.5 inch pin. Alternating injestions for the prop.

I want everything to perfect and don't want any distracting worries so any input will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

[Growingpains]

[perfectbeast2001]

what are your stats and what are your goals for this cycle. whats your diet like?

[MrMent1on]

thats too much for your first cycle. why not use less to grow the same say Test E 250mg 10/weeks. the your second cycle can look like the one you posed. its ur first so it doesnt take much, why give it more now.

[marcus300]

Reading your previous threads it states your 21yrs old and have trained for one and half yrs, if this is true your not ready for AAS with that training history and also your to young aswell.

[goalseeker]

I agree with these guys... however, if your set on running a compound anyways, at least stick with one only. This is the smartest way to start off.. good luck..

[Growingpains]

what are your stats and what are your goals for this cycle. whats your diet like?

Thanks for the replies so far. My diet is good, I eat 5-6 meals a day and get my protein from naturally lean sources, like chicken and fish. My goals are to gain quality muscle. Stats are 6' 195. 22 years old (in a week).

With 500 mgs/week of Test E how much (all other things constant) do you guys think I could gain? and retain?

[Growingpains]

Reading your previous threads it states your 21yrs old and have trained for one and half yrs, if this is true your not ready for AAS with that training history and also your to young aswell.

I do need to update that thing. I will right after this. I am turning 22 in a week and now have been training for 3 years. I feel ready, and have done the research so I am pretty confident.

[Growingpains]

What do you guys this of this one,

Ditch the prop

1-4 Dbol 30mgs/day
1-12 Test E 500/ mgs/ week

I appreciate your respones a lot guys, I have probably read a thousand cycle critiques but it is different when it is your own. Thanks,

GP

[Kal-El]

Not trying to hijack the thread but, my upcoming cycle which is identical to growingpains I have a question about. This is my 3rd cycle i have a thread about it out there. I just came across 2 10ml vials of Test P and was wondering should I use both the dbol and prop in the begining or just use one or the other. My cycle is as follows

1-4 DBol 30-40mg ED
1-12 Test E 750 Wk
1-10 Deca 600 Wk

Have enough prop to do 3 weeks up front or 4 weeks if i only do 50mgs.

PCT
Nolva 1-16
Clomid 1-14

[FranKieC]

[Growingpains]

NO FAIR! Bump your own thread!

[FranKieC]

Just run the Enthanate Bro..You will love your gains and if your diet and PCT are correct you will retain most of what you gained.

Good luck and happy growing

[SVTMuscle*]

I never understood the point of D-Bol with Prop for the first 4 weeks. Use one or the other I'd say. Or just stick with Test E stand alone.

[Growingpains]

I never understood the point of D-Bol with Prop for the first 4 weeks. Use one or the other I'd say. Or just stick with Test E stand alone.

I don't understand it either! That's why I am not doing it!

I was debating whether to use prop and Test E
or Dbol and Test E.

[goalseeker]

the test E is a good start. But if it were me, id be running prop. Its fast acting, and gets you going right away. i ran test C once, which is identical to test E, and it took forever to kick in....

[WEBB]

yes but as a first cycle i dont think running prop is a great idea just because of the ed or eod injections...he should stick to one test only yes, but i think adding prop is a great idea cause it is outta himreally fast and then he is just on teest e...i love the cycle...

[perfectbeast2001]

avoid the DBol . Do either Test E on its own or if you have to kick start it then run the prop too. I would be looking to pack in some serious cals at 6' and 195.

[goalseeker]

yes but as a first cycle i dont think running prop is a great idea just because of the ed or eod injections...he should stick to one test only yes, but i think adding prop is a great idea cause it is outta himreally fast and then he is just on teest e...i love the cycle...

I agree......

[goalseeker]

On the other hand... starting with ed injections may be good for him.. give him a taste of the real stuff! LOL

[Growingpains]

You guys kick ass! Thanks a lot

I like the idea of prop short 'kick in' time and think that I'll be able to get used to taking a shot EOD. I mean sh*t if I can't handle a shot then I should be doing them in the first place.

So I'm definately sticking with the 500 mgs/week of test E for weeks 1-12. I want to hear more responses!

It's funny because I really have heard no so good reviews of dbol . Pros are the water inbetween the joints and strength gains but the cons are water, bloat and lack of long term gains.

What do you guys think? How much should I up my cals, I currently eat around 4000-4500 a day!

How much do you guys think I could gain? Keep?

Thanks,

GP

[Aesthetix]

that whole dbol = bloat sh1t is a myth .. me and my friends take it an always end up gettin leaner .. its how yur eating honestly .

[Growingpains]

that whole dbol = bloat sh1t is a myth .. me and my friends take it an always end up gettin leaner .. its how yur eating honestly .

I bet you are right to a degree (low sodium diet, etc) but dbol is known to have a propensity for water retention.

[Huckster]

that whole dbol = bloat sh1t is a myth .. me and my friends take it an always end up gettin leaner .. its how yur eating honestly .

You ain't sh#ttin', I don't notice much of a bloat. But am rock hard and a lot stronger.

BTW : I did the same for my first cycle (currently still on first cycle)

On on like week 7 of my first cycle now.
1-6 DBol 40mg
1-10 Test E 250mg Every 3.5 days (500 week)
6-10 Proviron

PCT, the usual...
And love the results so far. When the DBol kicks in on about the 4th day, you'll feel like a frickin' monster working out.
Started: 5-11 185 lbs. 14% BF
at week 7: 215lbs. probably 15-16% BF

I have done no cardio for these 7 weeks, getting a just a bit of a belly from all the food and no cardio. But it will be gone post-cycle.

But anyway your cycle looks good and after week 4, you'll be soo tempted to continue running the DBols. I know I was, that's why I ran it for 6. Results were outstanding.

[Bigmax]

I bet you are right to a degree (low sodium diet, etc) but dbol is known to have a propensity for water retention.

Thats not accurate bro...Its not a myth its actually reality...evreyone reacts invidually to different compounds.Now i do agree that alot has to do with diet but there guys who bloat looking at the damn things(figure of speech bro)And the minute they get off them they spill the water entirely leaving them the same way they looked before.

[Growingpains]

Thats not accurate bro...Its not a myth its actually reality...evreyone reacts invidually to different compounds.Now i do agree that alot has to do with diet but there guys who bloat looking at the damn things(figure of speech bro)And the minute they get off them they spill the water entirely leaving them the same way they looked before.

I think that you are right and that diet is very important. It just seems like the gains are too short term to really be worthwhile. Thanks for your reply.

[Growingpains]

[Growingpains]

Bump. Thanks!

[LatinoPR]

I am planning a perfect first cycle.

Here is what I have decided I think.

1-4 100 mgs/ Test P EOD
1-12 Test E @ 500 mgs/week - with injections monday morning and thursday afternoon.

I was thinking about taking 30-40 mgs/day of Dbol for weeks 1-4 but I am weary of the bloat and the lack of retaining gains.

I plan on using the bulk diets from this forum.

For PCT by Anthony Roberts, I will keep nolva and letro on hand in case of gyno.

I plan on using a 23 g 1.5 inch pin. Alternating injestions for the prop.

I want everything to perfect and don't want any distracting worries so any input will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

"Perfect cycle"...hmmmmm i dont think so...
You are 21,18 month of trainning and who know how is your trainning.,...diet ?...but is your body and you can do whatever the hell you want,.
Now,you are been here for some time amd you should read the newbies cycles,there is a good info...
Go with T e @ 500/week folow for proper pct.....thats MO.

[Growingpains]

"Perfect cycle"...hmmmmm i dont think so...
You are 21,18 month of trainning and who know how is your trainning.,...diet ?...but is your body and you can do whatever the hell you want,.
Now,you are been here for some time amd you should read the newbies cycles,there is a good info...
Go with T e @ 500/week folow for proper pct.....thats MO.

First off don't come at me like I haven't done my homework. I have been on this board for a while now. I don't appreciate that. I have been training for 3 years now. ( I need to update the profile). Read the thread. There are mixed thoughts on the dbol plus test E cycle. I am certainly going to stick with the test E at 500 a week. But am wondering if I should jump start it with something. Everyone has different opinions on the prop. Thanks,
GP

[Growingpains]

[skipp]

I say just use E at first, then for your second come back with prop and E, then deca prop and E..

I'm gettin excited lol..

In the end, don't use more than you have to.

[G-1000]

wow there is a lot of bull shit in this thread.

Bro first cycle you will never make it throw the pain of prop in a vergin muscle.
just stck to test-e for 12 weeks 500mg spit does.

If you wont run the d-bol for the first 4 weeks only at 50mg day. There is no need for 6 weeks.

do not run deca for the first cycle. you need to know hor you respond to test first.

[Growingpains]

I say just use E at first, then for your second come back with prop and E, then deca prop and E..

I'm gettin excited lol..

In the end, don't use more than you have to.

Hear hear to that! Thanks for the comments!

[Growingpains]

wow there is a lot of bull shit in this thread.

Bro first cycle you will never make it throw the pain of prop in a vergin muscle.
just stck to test-e for 12 weeks 500mg spit does.

If you wont run the d-bol for the first 4 weeks only at 50mg day. There is no need for 6 weeks.

do not run deca for the first cycle. you need to know hor you respond to test first.

Thanks for the wise words bro! What do you think about painless prop made with grapeseed oil or some sort of oil thats thinner and moves in the muscle more?

Also, for sure no deca the first cycle, and definately no more than 4 weeks of dbol . I like my liver as it turns out.

Thanks again!

GP

[G-1000]

Thanks for the wise words bro! What do you think about painless prop made with grapeseed oil or some sort of oil thats thinner and moves in the muscle more?

Also, for sure no deca the first cycle, and definately no more than 4 weeks of dbol . I like my liver as it turns out.

Thanks again!

GP

I have not found this yet. I make mine with grapeseed oil sill pain full.

[Growingpains]

I have not found this yet. I make mine with grapeseed oil sill pain full.

Interesting, I heard that that can help with some of the injection pain.

[auslifta]

Interesting, I heard that that can help with some of the injection pain.

when are you starting im interested in how you go?

[Swifto]

A single estered testosterone for 10-12 weeks at between 250-500mg/wk. PCT to follow.

Add an oral for your second. Then another compound for your third.

Keep it simple.

[donveto]

Hey GP,

Im getting ready to start week 8 of my first cycle (40mg Dbol ED 1-4 and 500mg test e 1-12)

Take my advice dude and forget the kickstart, don't make the same mistake I made....Don't get me wrong I loved the Dbol and that might be my biggest problem! let me explain...

#1 Dbol makes you feel like a frigin beast- I ate a shat load of food and drank 2-3 gallons of water a day I gained a boat load of weight (yes some was water) Problem is you better get ready to join a new gym because everyone is going to know you are juicing...it is silly how fast this stuff works if you eat and train hard... While on the dbol I got comments to me all the time by strangers asking me how often I lifted, how good I looked ect, ect...
It will make your ego swell faster than your muscles! your pumps are insane..bla bla bla....

now the problems may begin here as they did with me...
You stop the Dbol and guess what - you no longer feel like superman every minute of the day..I lost 5 pounds in like 2 days and you start to wonder if your test is fake..enter placebo effect ...I started to panic and wonder if I screwed up on how I injected my test and if I was doing something wrong, your workouts go down hill because you are to concerned why you don't feel the test yet...SO I went back on dbol for week 6 @ 20mg ed,,felt a litle better.... Then a couple days ago I started to have great workouts again - you couldnt drag me out of the gym , my strength is going up and up and I feel great again...

So in short I wish I just stuck to test-e for my first cylce!
For many reasons including.. If I would have done test alone I would not have had a 2 week slump and wonder what my problem was, I could have had a great experience on test alone and learn how my body reacts to it alone( how long it takes to kick in and what to expect on TEST ALONE) now I will always wonder....

If I were you I would run the Test alone-keep a daily log of how you feel- mentally and physically- this way you know when the test kicks in and what it feels like exactly..not wonder if it is one or the other..This way on your next cylce you can properly add an oral ..for example

If it takes you until week 5 to feel the results of test, then I would run dbol for 5 weeks so you have no gap..or yo-yo effect.
Or like me, I now know test takes aroun 7.5-8 weeks for me to kick in..So my next cycle I will run dbol @ say 50mg ED for 5 weeks-week 6 @ 25ed and week 7 at 25 mg EOD..this way I can taper off the oral and not experience the not so pleasent SLUMP I went trough..

Am I happy with my cycle ..your damn right I am! I have gone from 179 @ 9.5-10% bf to 208 14-15% bf...I need to pull my head outta my ass and get the cardio upped I know this...

In the long run though I wish I just did the test e...be honest with yourself , you are not just going to do one cylce ..take your time and enjoy!!!!

Hope this helps man!!
Be safe..