How much weight should you gain roughly before juicing?

[DecaDude_]

I've recently turned 19 and i was wonder what should a good base be to start taking steroids . I'm 5'11 and wondering roughly where should my weight be before i start to take steroids. I dont want to be one of those people that have nothing and start to juice it with no base at all.

[RoidGut]

no one can intelligently answer your question about how much weight you should gain or be at befor using steroids . Eveyone is different and it is all relative. IMHO you should not be using gear until you are well into your 20's at the very least. At your age, you should have enough natural test production in your system to grow like a weed given you have a solid diet and workout routine.

but if you need a number for the sake of having a number....I am 5'6" and weighed 185 lbs befor I used gear

That being said, I know growing up that many of my friends were using gear at the age of 17 and 18 and got great gains. But that does not mean they will pay for that in the future.

[Warrior]

A good base is when you have a good amount of general maturity as well as knowledge in training theories, dietary manipulations, supplementation, drug use in athletics and performance-geared ergogenics that far exceeds your current development so you can make gains that can be retained while making educated and rational choices. That's a good base...

[Stumbo]

I personally dont think how much you have gained really matters, and i personally dont believe that you have to reach your "max genetic potential" either.

I think what is most important is that you are expeirienced and comfortable in your training and your diet. I know a guy who lifted natty for 4 years, gained a ton of weight, but never really knew what he was doing. He then ran a cycle, had dissapointing gains, and couldnt hold on to them during his PCT.

Everybody is different. I say keep pumping hard bro, and keep learning, once you are 21 or 22, you should be ready.

[DarKOmeN]

19s a bit young bro u can still gain natty at that age ur natty test levels shud be booming
"What is the Right Age to Start Using Steroids ?

By: Brandon Walsh
This article is being published in hopes of reaching some of the younger people, involved in our great sport of body building, reach their goals without making the great mistake of using steroids too early in their long lives. The problem with this is that most young bodybuilders (BBs) cannot grasp the concept of the future and how long the road ahead really is even with the use of steroids. How do you convince a 14 year old that it will take years before he can look like the Pro BB's in the magazines, and that he may never look like that even with all the drugs available in the world. Well that is what I hope to accomplish within this article.

At what age should you be, before you consider using steroids? This question is not as easily answered as you may think it is. You cannot randomly just pick an age and say that this is the point at which you can now start to consider using steroids.

Between the ages of 12 and 26 a male's hormone levels are on a steady rise until the age of 26. This is when these levels slowly start to decline until they are almost nonexistent by the ripe old age of 40.

When puberty starts in males at the age of 12 there is a huge flux in hormonal patterns in the body, which cause the growth of male characteristics, (deepening of the voice, growth of body hair, growth in height, etc.). These hormone levels increase by themselves so much that they can be compared to that of a mild steroid cycle. Therefore trying to add to what the body is doing on its own by adding in exogenous (outside) Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) is very counter productive.

Whenever any extra amount of AAS is added to the body, the body recognizes this extra level through a feedback loop in the human body known as the Hypothalamus. Once the Hypothalamus recognizes the increase in hormones which happens usually between 14 and 21 days, the body will shut off its own production of hormones until these levels decrease, along with increasing hormones to decrease these extra levels in the body (cortisone, estrogen). Cortisone and " href="http://anabolicreview-research.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=42"Estrogen are 2 hormones in the body that BBs do not need any extra. The easiest way to try to explain this without getting to complicated, is that the more AAS you put in your body, the more your body will try to lower those levels. When this happens BBs get all the side effects that are normally associated with AAS use, gynecomastia (growth of fatty tissue underneath the breasts in males), hair loss, kidney damage, liver damage, and high blood pressure, just to name a few).

Before you consider the use of AAS you should have already reached your genetic potential. What is your genetic potential? To figure this out you should first look at the weight, height and build of other members in your family. Is this exact, no, but it is somewhere to start. If every male on both sides of your family is approximately 5'7" and weighs between 150lbs and 170lbs and they are all " href="http://www.anabolicreview-research.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=109"bald by the age of 25, then it would be a good guess that you will also fall somewhere in those ranges by the time you stop growing. Now with working out and eating correctly for 4 years lets say, you would be able to put on 15 or more pounds of muscle tissue (that would mean you now weigh 165-185 lbs.). This is what your genetic potential would be. Now if you started to use steroids at that point, 165-185 lbs you may be able to put on another 15-20 lbs (180-200lbs). If you had started using when you were 125 lbs., and gained 25lbs through the use of steroids, you would still be well short of what you could have gotten naturally (150lbs as compared to 180-200lbs), and now it will be much harder to try to gain another 30-40lbs.

So for a starting point lets say that you need to be at least 18 years of age before you consider using steroids. Now that we have a starting point, lets look at a few other factors that should be considered. Steroids DO NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM makes up for a good diet and workout program. Most people who use AAS feel that this is the time where they can be a little more relaxed in their workouts and diet. Actually this is when they should be even more strict. So before you can think of using at the age of 18, you will need 3 more solid years of good training and eating habits. Minor changes in diet and workouts can result in great gains in mass and muscle as well as strength.

No matter how much assistance you get from AAS, without proper nutrition and workouts you will be lucky to have any gains at all, let alone keep them after the cycle is over. The goal of using any substance, legal or not should be that after you stop using it you don't loose all of that which you have fought to get. What would be the point of spending all that money (steroids are not free) to gain that 30lbs when you will loose it after the cycle is over anyway?

So the better question to ask instead of when can I take steroids, should be, what can I do to get all that I can out of my body without needing steroids?. In order to calculate my progress, I need to talk with my family and doctors, before I try to make a choice like that.

We will start with the age range of 14-16; this is when your hormones are raging. Your body is in full swing of making the best steroids that you can ever get, and it does all this without you even needing to do a single thing. At this point you should start with a solid exercise plan and a basic supplement plan in addition to the regular food that you need to be eating on a regular basis.

For workouts focus on the basic compound movements (Bench Press, Squats, Deadlifts, Barbell Curls, etc.) Working out 4 days a week with at least 8 hours of sleep a night is a great start. Add to that the extra protein that you should be taking and you will definitely start seeing a difference in your body. As for supplements, at this point all I would suggest is a good Meal Replacement Shake, multi-vitamin and creatine. Any shake will work, just add 2 shakes a day to the 3 solid meals that you should already be eating. Creatine has more benefits then I could start to explain in this article, but what I can say is that it will help your strength, muscle, speed, and recovery without any negative side effects.

By the age of 16-18 you will have had most of your growth spurts and you will be ready to change a few more things in your overall plan. You workouts can become a little more specialized as you start using different exercises. As for your nutrition program, all that I would think of adding now would be something such as extra glutamine before bed and maybe a ZMA supplement. You still don?t want to take anything that would alter what your body is doing on its own, so using ZMA and glutamine is just what you need.

Somewhere between 18 and 21 you should be just about done growing, so what should you do differently now? Add more protein! You should be getting at the very least, your body weight in grams of protein per day! And that?s at the very least! By now you will have been working out consistently for quite a while and should know your body very well. What will work and what won?t work should be old news. There isn?t really anything new to add to what is already a great program, other than Tribulus and maybe a pre-workout supplement such as Ultimate Orange. After this point, you can start to consider the use of steroids. What about them? Are they as terrible as everyone seems to think they are? As long as they are used correctly, I don?t think so. When considering their use, I feel that orals should be used as late as possible. These are most harmful on the body and therefore should not be used for a very long time.

Another thing to consider, other than the side effects I have already spoken of, is your sex drive. Some AAS will make your sex drive almost nonexistent and will have a big effect on your sperm count. These drugs in particular should try to be avoided. That leaves mild anabolics. Although they are the safest to use, they are expensive, illegal, and require the use of a needle. Which most first time users do not want to use.

I told you that this is not something that should be passed off very easily; you shouldn?t have to make the mistakes that most of us make by using steroids to early in your life. If used correctly, I think they are fine, but look at what it takes in order to use them correctly. Have you been working out for 5 years straight without more the 2 weeks off every 6 weeks? Do you eat every 2-3 hours, 6 times a day without missing a meal? Do you get 8 hours of sleep every night? This is something that can have a huge effect on your body for the rest of your life, so don?t make that choice in 10 minutes. Good luck and keep growing.

Designer Labs President / CEO *

[cj1capp]

"What is the Right Age to Start Using Steroids ?

By: Brandon Walsh
This article is being published in hopes of reaching some of the younger people, involved in our great sport of body building, reach their goals without making the great mistake of using steroids too early in their long lives. The problem with this is that most young bodybuilders (BBs) cannot grasp the concept of the future and how long the road ahead really is even with the use of steroids. How do you convince a 14 year old that it will take years before he can look like the Pro BB's in the magazines, and that he may never look like that even with all the drugs available in the world. Well that is what I hope to accomplish within this article.

At what age should you be, before you consider using steroids? This question is not as easily answered as you may think it is. You cannot randomly just pick an age and say that this is the point at which you can now start to consider using steroids.

Between the ages of 12 and 26 a male's hormone levels are on a steady rise until the age of 26. This is when these levels slowly start to decline until they are almost nonexistent by the ripe old age of 40.

When puberty starts in males at the age of 12 there is a huge flux in hormonal patterns in the body, which cause the growth of male characteristics, (deepening of the voice, growth of body hair, growth in height, etc.). These hormone levels increase by themselves so much that they can be compared to that of a mild steroid cycle. Therefore trying to add to what the body is doing on its own by adding in exogenous (outside) Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) is very counter productive.

Whenever any extra amount of AAS is added to the body, the body recognizes this extra level through a feedback loop in the human body known as the Hypothalamus. Once the Hypothalamus recognizes the increase in hormones which happens usually between 14 and 21 days, the body will shut off its own production of hormones until these levels decrease, along with increasing hormones to decrease these extra levels in the body (cortisone, estrogen). Cortisone and " href="http://anabolicreview-research.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=42"Estrogen are 2 hormones in the body that BBs do not need any extra. The easiest way to try to explain this without getting to complicated, is that the more AAS you put in your body, the more your body will try to lower those levels. When this happens BBs get all the side effects that are normally associated with AAS use, gynecomastia (growth of fatty tissue underneath the breasts in males), hair loss, kidney damage, liver damage, and high blood pressure, just to name a few).

Before you consider the use of AAS you should have already reached your genetic potential. What is your genetic potential? To figure this out you should first look at the weight, height and build of other members in your family. Is this exact, no, but it is somewhere to start. If every male on both sides of your family is approximately 5'7" and weighs between 150lbs and 170lbs and they are all " href="http://www.anabolicreview-research.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=109"bald by the age of 25, then it would be a good guess that you will also fall somewhere in those ranges by the time you stop growing. Now with working out and eating correctly for 4 years lets say, you would be able to put on 15 or more pounds of muscle tissue (that would mean you now weigh 165-185 lbs.). This is what your genetic potential would be. Now if you started to use steroids at that point, 165-185 lbs you may be able to put on another 15-20 lbs (180-200lbs). If you had started using when you were 125 lbs., and gained 25lbs through the use of steroids, you would still be well short of what you could have gotten naturally (150lbs as compared to 180-200lbs), and now it will be much harder to try to gain another 30-40lbs.

So for a starting point lets say that you need to be at least 18 years of age before you consider using steroids. Now that we have a starting point, lets look at a few other factors that should be considered. Steroids DO NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM makes up for a good diet and workout program. Most people who use AAS feel that this is the time where they can be a little more relaxed in their workouts and diet. Actually this is when they should be even more strict. So before you can think of using at the age of 18, you will need 3 more solid years of good training and eating habits. Minor changes in diet and workouts can result in great gains in mass and muscle as well as strength.

No matter how much assistance you get from AAS, without proper nutrition and workouts you will be lucky to have any gains at all, let alone keep them after the cycle is over. The goal of using any substance, legal or not should be that after you stop using it you don't loose all of that which you have fought to get. What would be the point of spending all that money (steroids are not free) to gain that 30lbs when you will loose it after the cycle is over anyway?

So the better question to ask instead of when can I take steroids, should be, what can I do to get all that I can out of my body without needing steroids?. In order to calculate my progress, I need to talk with my family and doctors, before I try to make a choice like that.

We will start with the age range of 14-16; this is when your hormones are raging. Your body is in full swing of making the best steroids that you can ever get, and it does all this without you even needing to do a single thing. At this point you should start with a solid exercise plan and a basic supplement plan in addition to the regular food that you need to be eating on a regular basis.

For workouts focus on the basic compound movements (Bench Press, Squats, Deadlifts, Barbell Curls, etc.) Working out 4 days a week with at least 8 hours of sleep a night is a great start. Add to that the extra protein that you should be taking and you will definitely start seeing a difference in your body. As for supplements, at this point all I would suggest is a good Meal Replacement Shake, multi-vitamin and creatine. Any shake will work, just add 2 shakes a day to the 3 solid meals that you should already be eating. Creatine has more benefits then I could start to explain in this article, but what I can say is that it will help your strength, muscle, speed, and recovery without any negative side effects.

By the age of 16-18 you will have had most of your growth spurts and you will be ready to change a few more things in your overall plan. You workouts can become a little more specialized as you start using different exercises. As for your nutrition program, all that I would think of adding now would be something such as extra glutamine before bed and maybe a ZMA supplement. You still don?t want to take anything that would alter what your body is doing on its own, so using ZMA and glutamine is just what you need.

Somewhere between 18 and 21 you should be just about done growing, so what should you do differently now? Add more protein! You should be getting at the very least, your body weight in grams of protein per day! And that?s at the very least! By now you will have been working out consistently for quite a while and should know your body very well. What will work and what won?t work should be old news. There isn?t really anything new to add to what is already a great program, other than Tribulus and maybe a pre-workout supplement such as Ultimate Orange. After this point, you can start to consider the use of steroids. What about them? Are they as terrible as everyone seems to think they are? As long as they are used correctly, I don?t think so. When considering their use, I feel that orals should be used as late as possible. These are most harmful on the body and therefore should not be used for a very long time.

Another thing to consider, other than the side effects I have already spoken of, is your sex drive. Some AAS will make your sex drive almost nonexistent and will have a big effect on your sperm count. These drugs in particular should try to be avoided. That leaves mild anabolics. Although they are the safest to use, they are expensive, illegal, and require the use of a needle. Which most first time users do not want to use.

I told you that this is not something that should be passed off very easily; you shouldn?t have to make the mistakes that most of us make by using steroids to early in your life. If used correctly, I think they are fine, but look at what it takes in order to use them correctly. Have you been working out for 5 years straight without more the 2 weeks off every 6 weeks? Do you eat every 2-3 hours, 6 times a day without missing a meal? Do you get 8 hours of sleep every night? This is something that can have a huge effect on your body for the rest of your life, so don?t make that choice in 10 minutes. Good luck and keep growing.

Designer Labs President / CEO *

NO THATS A GOOD POSTFOR THE TEENS OUT THERE.

[wishmasterATM]

nice..

[powerliftmike]

I'm 5'11 and wondering roughly where should my weight be before i start to take steroids.

A better question would be how many years have you been training? What is your bodyfat? Do you have a thick bone structure (accounting for more weight). Have you stopped gaining in the gym? Are you eating enough? (trust me its hard to eat 5000 cal a day of whole food).

However if you want to get an idea of where you should be go to a pediatrician and ask for a child development height/weight chart. For a 19yr old male at 5'11'' you should be around 160lb I believe. If you are under this then you shouldnt be juicing. Your bodyfat should be around 10% too.

[MoneyAddyct]

I'm just curious where the 5'11 = 160lbs came from?

[pdog80]

Yeah, I'm with money on this one. 5'11 and 160 is good to juice? I don't think so. That's a walking chopstick right there. One more thing, I too like roid gut started juicing when I hit 185 and I'm 5'7.

[T3/T4 GSR]

NO THATS A GOOD POSTFOR THE TEENS OUT THERE.

Look...people are going to do w/e it is they want. Give them facts and let them make a choice. Scaring people away from drugs has never worked...only made them more curious.

[pdog80]

Yes, that is true, but also, people should also know that starting AAS prematurely can have some serious consequences in the future.

[RoidGut]

Look...people are going to do w/e it is they want. Give them facts and let them make a choice. Scaring people away from drugs has never worked...only made them more curious.

I don't think anyone who posted here was trying to scare this bro off of using. You are right, in the end, it is a choice we all have to make ourselves. I think all that we are trying to say is that even though you may be unhappy with your size, starting AAS at a young age will do more harm than good. I was 18 once also and I could never understand what that meant till I hit my 30's. If you start screwing with your natty test production at an early age, what is that going to do to you when you are my age?

AAS do not work miracles. If you don't know how to properly workout or properly set up a diet, all you will be doing is shutting down your natty test production, and when you come off the cycle, will end up worse off than when you started.

In the end....it is your call...do it, or don't do it

[Exevious]

Maybe there is a magic wieght... I dont know it....

REally there is a magic disipline...

I would say once you have gone 6 months Hitting a full routine on a solid rotation... AND are maintaining the right diet the whole time.

1. you will see results.
2. YOu should be closing in on your natural peak, or at least know if you can continue building before needing juice.
3. This will give you a good idea of your natural ability so that you dont give false credit to a shitty cycle.
4. Once you are disiplined, hitting it with all you have, maintianing a good diet, and not growing anymore.... Then add some juice.

It pretty freakin hard to get all the protein you need every day... maintaining proper diet is the biggest secret to growth.

[MoneyAddyct]

I disagree. 6 months is nothing, you'll be nowhere near you're natural peak only after 6 months. You might see some great gains after 6 months of pure dedication, but you won't be "closing in on your natural peak."

[italianplayboy09]

I disagree. 6 months is nothing, you'll be nowhere near you're natural peak only after 6 months. You might see some great gains after 6 months of pure dedication, but you won't be "closing in on your natural peak."

i agree

[crash187ct]

To me, 19 is not too early. When I read "when you reach 20 or 21, you should be ok." Well, the last time I checked, age was not relavent with maturity or know-how. It doesn't matter what I recommend, or what a "vet" recommends. Common sense is common sense. Be at a comfortable level lifting (few years), know what you're doing, and how to do it.

If all of what I said will be disregarded, know this. Once you join the darkside, you're pretty much in for good. So be as prepared as you can be. *before* you start anything.

[AnabolicBoy1981]

I disagree. 6 months is nothing, you'll be nowhere near you're natural peak only after 6 months. You might see some great gains after 6 months of pure dedication, but you won't be "closing in on your natural peak."

word! 6 moths, jesus. I would have been juicing at 17! No AT LEAST a few years. You should look like you work out before you juice. Also, the main reasons to wait to juice are these:

1. Waiting till you are in your early to mid twenties lets your body stabilize its normal hormonal patterns. Hormones still fluctuate between 18-21. If you mess with them before they stabilize, they might level off at a lower level for the rest of your life than what they would have.

2. Connective tissue strenght is crucial. You need a few years of heavy training to get your tendons and ligaments thicker and used to bearing heavy load, otherswise, you will juice up, your muscle bellies will grow, and your tendons will snap and rip off the bone. Great huh?

3. As TIME goes on you gain more androgen receptors on your muscles. The only thing that will make this happen is TIME. So waiting actually ensures that the juice you do use will have a maximal effect.

That being said, age wise would be early twenties, becuz this is a time when most dudes have a good 4-5 years of training, plus they are still at an age where GH is still relativly high and can have synergistic effect with the androgens....BUT, if you started training at 24, HECK NO you cant juice. Just wait the few years and add some GH or IGF-1 at a moderate dosage just to mimic a 20 year olds.

peace

[cfiler]

Your natural test levels are the highest now. They will never be at this level again, take advantage of that, and train naturally. 19 is too young to start a cycle.