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Im about to order for my next cycle. It includes...
Weeks 1-6 50mg prop EoD
Weeks 1-6 40mg anavar ED
PCT Nolva only. 20mgs ED 30days.
Will including tribulus throughout my cycle and PCT help with suppression or possible shutdown? Should I be taking nolva @ 10mgs ED throughout cycle? Or is this mild enough of a cycle that I should be ok without these? Are there other suggestions on compounds I can add to keep as safe as possible, and still be neccessary?
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It's a short cycle. Nothing wrong with that but I think you'll want to extend to 8 weeks. I don't know if you need nolva only you will know that. It can't hurt to have just in case gyno pops up but it's not likely unless you are prone. I'd run 40mg weeks 1-2 and 3+4 run 20mg of nolva for the pct.
Your dosage of test is extremely low here as well as var. What are you trying to accomplish with this and what are your current stats including cycle history.
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Current stats:
6'1"
190lbs
13% BF 21 years old.
My last cycle consisted of test enth for 10 weeks at 500mgs/week. Finished that in the middle of may. I grew so much so fast on that cycle, almost too much for what I wanted. I put on about 20 lbs in 5-6 weeks. I would like to gain about 10-12 pounds of lean mass, but not get huge. What would you suggest??
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like what was said earlier, you should really think about extending the cycle to 8 or even 10 wks. prop is not like enanthate in that it kicks in very quickly and does not give you the bloat you may have experienced with enan. The var dose looks ok...a little on the low side...but prop should be at least 150 eod if you don't like ed injects. most will do 75-100mg ed
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Will 50 ED be enough to see some decent results? I respond really well.
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well since prop acts so quickly, you could try 50mg ed and see how you respond. At the end of the week, if you don't like the results, bump it up to 75mg.
You could be one of a lucky few who can get away with lower dosages...try it out and see how it works out for you.
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Yes 50/ed will be enough but you are shorting yourself 150mg from your last cycle. I'd try to hit the 500mg mark again. 75/ed will bring you up just past that.
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And since this is a short cycle, will it shut me down as hard as the 10 week 500mg/week test enth one? Theoretically since everyone is different...
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Originally Posted by DHew
Your natural test will be completely shutdown......So It's kind of impossible for us to guess if you will recover faster or not.
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I'd go ED though! Better stable blood levels.
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ok, ok. I got some stuff to think about, and im not totally sure if ill cycle again or not. I got a lot of anxiety with my last cycle and PCT, and it really sucked. Not sure if i want to go through with that again, but im definately in no rush. Just researching for now. Thanks guys.
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If you are too worried to do a full cycle then you arent ready to cycle at all.
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thats why i said im not sure....
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sounds like you are worried about shutdown...
but your pct planned is.. 20mg nolva
you should think about that.. probably look into an AI and some HCG
go atleast 50mg ed on the prop IMO, the prop is so short estered EOD injects will not be good for blood levels, i have a picture of 50mg ed compared to 100mg eod..
incase you cant reaqd it the jagged line is eod inject while the solid line is ED.. now this is not exact science but it should give you an idea
also keep in mind due to the ester if you wanna move up in dose you just do it and youll see the results in 3 days tops and if its too much fo you to handle you drop it back down and yorue back to a low level in 3 days tops... in and out great fotr getting exactly where you wanna be
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Hey one8nine, im not meaning to insult you bro, your a cool cat...
But that graph is not a realistic rendering of your blood levels. the EOD prop should be more fluid, not pointy. Also, the ED prop should still have some fluctuation in blood levels.
Whoever made that graph was not trying to show true blood levels, but to try to prove a point.
But i would shoot it every day.
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sounds like you are worried about shutdown...
but your pct planned is.. 20mg nolva
you should think about that.. probably look into an AI and some HCG
go atleast 50mg ed on the prop IMO, the prop is so short estered EOD injects will not be good for blood levels, i have a picture of 50mg ed compared to 100mg eod..
incase you cant reaqd it the jagged line is eod inject while the solid line is ED.. now this is not exact science but it should give you an idea
also keep in mind due to the ester if you wanna move up in dose you just do it and youll see the results in 3 days tops and if its too much fo you to handle you drop it back down and yorue back to a low level in 3 days tops... in and out great fotr getting exactly where you wanna be
to prove a point is exactly why and to just give an idea
you draw that graph thennot an easy thing
thats actually a screen shot that i edited a little from the pct calculator website BTW
i think theres a point drawn for every 24 hours and then those dots are connected, it doesnt show the fluxuations between those points
Last edited by one8nine; 08-28-2006 at 03:16 AM.
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yeah, its pretty easy actually
this is closer to what the blood levels will look like ed vs ed.
the thinner line reps ED while the thick one is EOD.
Ignor the verticle and horizontal line, that was just a reference for me to make the graph.
Last edited by Stumbo; 08-28-2006 at 03:30 AM.
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Lol, thanks for the PM one8nine!
That was my 1kth post ^
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thats pretty good
but mine has pretty colors
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hey 189...are you saying an AI and HCG for PCT? Or throughout cycle?
PS. I just saw some episode on TLC last night called "The Man whos arms exploded." Anyone see that? They said some ****ed up things. The cycle i have planned above isnt that dangerous, is it?? I mean, I thought i had done a lot of research and everything thought out, and then i saw that show...
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You have obviously not done nearly enough research then man, honestly. I can only suggest to research more in your case as it seems you are not ready yet.
"the man whos arms exploded" was using synthol, a retarded oil you inject into yoursefl to make muscles look extremely stupid. That will never happen to you if you dont use synthol. FYI.
HCG can be used at the end of a cycle or through dependign on doses etc, an AI or SERM should be used during the entire cycle and for PCT as well.
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hmm. Cause they were talking about steroids such as testosterone and others too...
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Yes they were......
But what did they say ? All I saw was about increasing the risk of heartattack years down the road from cholesteral levels being f'd in da a.
Other than that they tried to make like his arms were made instead injected from synthol.......what an idiot dropping needles brushing them off then injecting that shit into his ass he calls an arm.
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Cholesterol levels can be altered even if they become an issue so yes, worry abotu it but dont get too paranoid.
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Ok, ok cool. And as i asked earlier, the cycle i have lined (50mg ED test prop 6-8weeks, 40mg anavar) is a mild cycle, correct?
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Very IMO. I would use at least 100mg var but thats me, not you. You have some experimenting to do on this journey.....
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ya i do. Im just not looking forward to PCT again.
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