Fall cycle advice

**clozr** · 08-28-2006, 02:51 PM

Hey guys. I am looking to utilize the lovely autumn months to put some more size on; but, living in sunny socal, I want to keep myself lean without too much water. I just finished my fourth cycle which is as follows:

Weeks 1-8 Test Prop 200mg/EOD
Weeks 1-6 Anavar 50mg/ED
Weeks 1-6 Tren E/A blend 200 mg/EOD
Weeks 1-8 Winny 50 mg/EOD
Weeks 7-8 Masteron 100mg/EOD

I ran letro (liquid) @ .5mcg ED throughout and always run GH @ 8 IU/EOD, as well as HCG 500 IU/E5thD and did not get shut down.

I just started running my PCT Clomid 100mg/ED, HCG 500IU/ED and Letro at the same dose above for two weeks (short cycle). My question is what kind of recommendations I can get as far as tweaking the cycle below to fit my needs. Any input would be appreciated. Stats are above the proposed cycle.

33 Years old
5'11"
199 lbs.
7.2% bf as of 8/25

Weeks 1-12 Test Prop 100mg/ED
Weeks 1-4 Anadrol or D-Bol 100mg/ED
Weeks 1-10 EQ 400mg/EW

I will be continuing to run the GH @ 8IU/EOD. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

***perfectbeast2001*** · 08-28-2006, 03:03 PM

I would bump the EQ to 600mg as most feedback suggests this is the optimal dosage for gains vs sides. I would consider dropping the orals weeks 1-4 due to the sides and the fact the prop will kick in real quick anyway. If your dead set on doing them be ready for some big water bloat. Also bear in mind that anadrol is notorious for raising red blood cell count as is EQ so keep an eye on this (with regular bloodwork)

**pdog80** · 08-28-2006, 03:07 PM

You could go with d-bol for the first 4 weeks. You'll bloat a bit from it, so if I were you, I'd also use letro or a-dex for that. However, 100mgs ed is a bit much. Drop it to 40-50mgs ed.

**clozr** · 08-28-2006, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001

I would bump the EQ to 600mg as most feedback suggests this is the optimal dosage for gains vs sides. I would consider dropping the orals weeks 1-4 due to the sides and the fact the prop will kick in real quick anyway. If your dead set on doing them be ready for some big water bloat. Also bear in mind that anadrol is notorious for raising red blood cell count as is EQ so keep an eye on this (with regular bloodwork)

That's good advice on the drol. I would probably be better off just cutting it out entirely, even though I really like getting that pumped look right out of the chute. Anything else you would add, beyond just the EQ and the Prop?

**cfiler** · 08-28-2006, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by pdog80

You could go with d-bol for the first 4 weeks. You'll bloat a bit from it, so if I were you, I'd also use letro or a-dex for that. However, 100mgs ed is a bit much. Drop it to 40-50mgs ed.

That would be alot of orals in his cycle. I wouldn't add that, even with liver supps.

**clozr** · 08-28-2006, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by cfiler

That would be alot of orals in his cycle. I wouldn't add that, even with liver supps.

It was Drol OR Dbol , not both. Mmmmmm, liver pudding! I am not all that enamored with orals. I just want to gain some more mass and not really put on much bloat or fat. I'm diggin' the look of the low BF, and really wanna keep that hard, lean look!

***perfectbeast2001*** · 08-28-2006, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by clozr

That's good advice on the drol. I would probably be better off just cutting it out entirely, even though I really like getting that pumped look right out of the chute. Anything else you would add, beyond just the EQ and the Prop?

personally i would keep it at that for the AS. I would add some peptides but that can get expensive! If your keen on staying lean you could run masteron throughout cycle as it acts as an anti estrogen too. You could then drop the letro and just keep it on hand for emergency. Just a thought.

**clozr** · 08-28-2006, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001

personally i would keep it at that for the AS. I would add some peptides but that can get expensive!

A buddy of mine suggested that too. The money situation is not a problem. My monthly GH budget is not exactly lightweight! If you could suggest, I would, certainly, be receptive to any advice.

***perfectbeast2001*** · 08-28-2006, 05:28 PM

you could alternate between igf for 5 weeks and insulin for 5 weeks. Along with the GH your already running this should be a very synergistic combination. Im currently running that combo myself. Do some reading before entering into the slin use as it can obviously be very dangerous if mistakes are made.

**clozr** · 08-28-2006, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001

you could alternate between igf for 5 weeks and insulin for 5 weeks. Along with the GH your already running this should be a very synergistic combination. Im currently running that combo myself. Do some reading before entering into the slin use as it can obviously be very dangerous if mistakes are made.

Yes, slin is not to be toyed with! Most substances don't have death listed as a possible side effect!