Maybe this is a stupid question, but if

[sircharles]

PCT items like clomid, etc. raise your test levels a lot (back to normal), couldnt you actually use it DURING cycle to raise test (if you dont have AS test)? and switch to a different one PCT?

Just curious :/

[guest589745]

PCT items like clomid, etc. raise your test levels a lot (back to normal), couldnt you actually use it DURING cycle to raise test (if you dont have AS test)? and switch to a different one PCT?

Just curious :/

What?

It wont raise it as much as actual test does if thats yer question.

[sircharles]

Oh no, I know that. But in a previous thread of mine, I explained Im having to stack a legal test booster with tren (lets not get off topic and discuss this), and i was just curious if clomid, etc. would be the best test booster to stack w/it

[guest589745]

Oh no, I know that. But in a previous thread of mine, I explained Im having to stack a legal test booster with tren (lets not get off topic and discuss this), and i was just curious if clomid, etc. would be the best test booster to stack w/it

Why not actual test?

If you are running tren then you should be running an AI at the same tim etoo so Adex would be fine if you arent going to use test (Which I suggest you do).

[sircharles]

Its a supply issue.....plus im not willing to risk losing x amount by ordering from overseas lol

does adex go by a different name, im having trouble locating it/info anywhere

[guest589745]

Its a supply issue.....plus im not willing to risk losing x amount by ordering from overseas lol

does adex go by a different name, im having trouble locating it/info anywhere

arimidex , anastrozole, adex, liduidex, ldex

[rock75]

pct is used to get your natural levels/production back in order. As you know the extra test that we put in to our bodies will cause shut down of natural test. So at the end of our cycles we use chemicals to get our natural levels and natural production back in order. So if you are telling your body to do both at the same time, you are just asking for your natural production to eventually get all ****ed up.

[sircharles]

thanx.....its a little clearer now. ill stick to the over the counter and wait for the other for PCT.

[stupidhippo]

clomid wont lift ur test while on cycle... all clomid does is prevent the negative feedback from estrogen causing a lift in LH which then raises test.. but since ur LH will be down from the AAS there is no benefit from clomid.

[STEROIDZZ]

DOnt have try to run clomid as your talking about brother its used to "return it " nothing like you would see if you take test eth or test cyp... keep the clomid for PCT purposes only

[one8nine]

its like this
when you haqve extra anabolics in your system your body doesnt wanna produce test anymore cause it doesnt "need to"
so as long as you are on cycle its not going to recover

and my idea of pct is (someone correct me if im wrong).. you have very low test but you are still producing estrogen fine, and nolvadex /clomid looks like estrogen to your brain so it fills up the receptors.. well now your brain isnt recieving test or estrogen and it sees it cant use estrogen so its forced to produce test because it needs SOME hormone to operate.. thats why youf eel like shit for a while in pct cause you have no working hormone whatsoever.. but aas looks enough like hormone to your brain that nolvadex wouldnt (durring cycle) neccesitate bringing your nuts back to life

[one8nine]

Why not actual test?

If you are running tren then you should be running an AI at the same tim etoo so Adex would be fine if you arent going to use test (Which I suggest you do).

the only ai i see suitable for tren is letro
i remember reading.. not from this site.. but somewhere when i first started that tren will not convert to estrogen at all.. so adex or aromasin would have no use for tren, but letro can have an effect on the progesterone from the tren. but the most useful tool for tren would be caber, not an ai.

[rock75]

its like this
when you haqve extra anabolics in your system your body doesnt wanna produce test anymore cause it doesnt "need to"
so as long as you are on cycle its not going to recover

and my idea of pct is (someone correct me if im wrong).. you have very low test but you are still producing estrogen fine, and nolvadex/clomid looks like estrogen to your brain so it fills up the receptors.. well now your brain isnt recieving test or estrogen and it sees it cant use estrogen so its forced to produce test because it needs SOME hormone to operate.. thats why youf eel like shit for a while in pct cause you have no working hormone whatsoever.. but aas looks enough like hormone to your brain that nolvadex wouldnt (durring cycle) neccesitate bringing your nuts back to life

good description. i have to say that i have nvr felt like shit with clomid. just like they say - different strokes for different folks

[stewie]

if you use it during the cycle
i dont think your body will respond to anything similar in pct

[stupidhippo]

its like this
when you haqve extra anabolics in your system your body doesnt wanna produce test anymore cause it doesnt "need to"
so as long as you are on cycle its not going to recover

and my idea of pct is (someone correct me if im wrong).. you have very low test but you are still producing estrogen fine, and nolvadex/clomid looks like estrogen to your brain so it fills up the receptors.. well now your brain isnt recieving test or estrogen and it sees it cant use estrogen so its forced to produce test because it needs SOME hormone to operate.. thats why youf eel like shit for a while in pct cause you have no working hormone whatsoever.. but aas looks enough like hormone to your brain that nolvadex wouldnt (durring cycle) neccesitate bringing your nuts back to life

the basic idea is somewhat right (some false interpratations) except the reasoning why u feel like shit, its pretty much wrong. The estrogen is mostly produced from test, not much estrogen is produced in males. After cycle estrogen levels have been known to be high though. Serms only inhibit the feedback from estrogen to the hypothalamus causing increased LH production which increases test.

[Duke of Earl]

[Clomid].... couldnt you actually use it DURING cycle to raise test

This is exactly what HCG is for

( Except its' actions are mediated via LH rather than test/estro/HPTA )