Anavar for 12 weeks?

**Dangerdan** · 08-30-2006, 11:30 AM

I'm thinking of adding anavar to my next cycle and am wondering whether it would be ok to run it for the entire 12 weeks since it is not especially liver toxic (compared to other orals). I was planning on using about 60-80mgs daily. The other option would be to run the var for only the final six weeks (7-12).

Basically, my two options are as follows:

Option 1
Sust 500mg weekly - weeks 1-12
Equipose 400mg weekly - weeks 1-12
Deca 300mg weekly - weeks 1-10
Anavar 60mg daily - weeks 1-12

Option 2
Sust 500mg weekly - weeks 1-12
Equipose 400mg weekly - weeks 1-12
Deca 300mg weekly - weeks 1-10
Anavar 80mg daily - weeks 7-12

Stats:
26 years old
Lifting 6 years
6'1 213lbs and 11% bf
Approximate lifts, Deadlift 425, Squat 450, Bench 310.

Last cycle finished mid july (300mgs deca weekly) and pct just finished. I started the last cycle before finding this board and I have hopefully gained some knowledge over the past few months. I did an earlier deca only cycle about 3 years ago but diet was bad and I'm uncertain if the gear was even legit. My avatar is a fairly recent pic to get an idea of my size and bf although I have lost a little bf since it was taken.

Goals:
I am debating entering my first comp next summer and my next cycle will be used to add some mass without putting on too much fat. I would also like to see how my body responds to the compounds so that it will help in determining my pre-comp cycle. This will not be used as my pre-competition cycle.

EDIT: I posted previously asking about this cycle minus the var. I'm really requesting comments on the Var questions.

**pdog80** · 08-30-2006, 11:33 AM

Eq and deca in the same cycle? It can be done but watch out for high bp. Also, var for 12 weeks straight?! Err.....var's still 17aa so it's still liver toxic. I'd run it 8 weeks max.

**goose** · 08-30-2006, 11:36 AM

Your liver would be OK,the major problem with var long term is Cholesterol; it will be through the room.This is the question that you need to think about.

**Dangerdan** · 08-30-2006, 11:38 AM

I'm planning on seeing my doc and getting full bloodwork done before the cycle. I think my bloodpressure and cholesterol are both a little bit high but within the "normal" range.

Has anyone tried var for 12 weeks?

**Duke of Earl** · 08-30-2006, 12:00 PM

Has anyone tried var for 12 weeks?

I ran it @50-80mg ED for 18 weeks once ( HDL:LDL was just outside of normal by the end ) had bloodwork every 6 weeks liver values were slightly elevated but only just outside of normal, BP was fine

**pwrlftr2** · 08-30-2006, 12:04 PM

I ran it for 10 weeks and only side was it kills your HDL or good cholesterol. I would like they said only run it for eight and use the flush niacin at about 1000 mg a day.

**Dangerdan** · 08-30-2006, 12:28 PM

How about

Sust 500mg weekly 1-12
EQ 400mg weekly 1-12
Deca 300mg weekly 1-10
Var 60 daily weeks 5-12

**Hellmaskbanned** · 08-30-2006, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Dangerdan

How about

Sust 500mg weekly 1-12
EQ 400mg weekly 1-12
Deca 300mg weekly 1-10
Var 60 daily weeks 5-12

To many compounds for your 2nd cycle. Either take Sust EQ or Sust Deca depending on your goals.

**Swifto** · 08-30-2006, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

To many compounds for your 2nd cycle. Either take Sust EQ or Sust Deca depending on your goals.

Agreed.

A form of Testosterone , with an oral or other compound will suffice. Keep it simple. More compounds often means more sides, not more gains.

**Dangerdan** · 08-30-2006, 01:57 PM

I appreciate your comments. I was originally planning on using Sust and EQ. The reason I decided to add the deca was to help with my joints. I also am planning on running fairly low dosages for each compound.

**Swifto** · 08-30-2006, 01:58 PM

I ran Tbol at 60-80mg/ED for 12 weeks. Liver values were VERY SLIGHTLY above normal. Cholesteral was getting high though.

**Swifto** · 08-30-2006, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Dangerdan

I appreciate your comments. I was originally planning on using Sust and EQ. The reason I decided to add the deca was to help with my joints. I also am planning on running fairly low dosages for each compound.

its your second cycle. Why complicate things?

have you had joint problems in the past and have you tried Glucosamine and Chondroitin? Also other joint supplements?

**Dangerdan** · 08-30-2006, 02:03 PM

Are you recommending that I run only two compunds because this is only my second cycle or is there some other problem with running deca and EQ together? I want to include deca for (1) joints and (2) because I kept 20lbs of muscle from my last cycle which was deca only. I want to run EQ to harden up and gain vascularity as well as putting on some extra lean muscle.

**Dangerdan** · 08-30-2006, 02:04 PM

I have had joint problems in the past. I recently started taking MSM, Glucosamine and Chondritin as well as fish oils and have had excellent results. My joints do not bother me currently, but I'm worried that along with the strengh and muscle gains from a new cycle will come joint pain as well.

**Hellmaskbanned** · 08-30-2006, 02:07 PM

They all just about gain muscle....One doesn't give you "special" muscle.
The test will give you SOME joint relief due to the androgens/water retention associated with it which in turns puts your joints in a "better/more cushioned" enviroment.

Y not try sust/deca /var?

**Swifto** · 08-30-2006, 02:07 PM

You havent used a form of Testosterone yet?

If not, use a single estered Testosterone with Var/EQ for vascularity and lean gains IMO.

**Hellmaskbanned** · 08-30-2006, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

You havent used a form of Testosterone yet?

If not, use a single estered Testosterone with Var/EQ for vascularity and lean gains IMO.

Yeah good point. I would also go with the single ester.

**Dangerdan** · 08-30-2006, 02:10 PM

No, I haven't used any form of test before and I am definatly using it as the main compound in this cycle. I like the idea of a test/EQ/var cycle but again, its hard for me not to throw in deca after the great results I got from it in my last cycle.

**Dangerdan** · 08-30-2006, 02:12 PM

Any particular reason you guys are against sust? I like the idea of using both short and long esther (sp) test. If I run a single, I suppose it would be Test-E, but I have already picked up the sust and, thus, sust will be the test in my next cycle.

**Swifto** · 08-30-2006, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Dangerdan

No, I haven't used any form of test before and I am definatly using it as the main compound in this cycle. I like the idea of a test/EQ/var cycle but again, its hard for me not to throw in deca after the great results I got from it in my last cycle.

Although diet dependant, Deca is mainly used as a mass/bulking agent. not for vascularity. The water retention may work against your here.

My cycle advice is:

wk 1-12 Test Enan 250-500mg/wk
wk 6-14 Var 50-100mg/ED

OR

wk 1-8 Test Prop 50-75mg/ED
wk 1-8 Var 50-100mg/ED

OR

wk 1-8 Test Prop 50-75mg/ED
wk 1-8 Tbol 50-80mg/ED

Use an AI. Preferably Aromasin 20mg/ED or EOD, whilst keeping Nolva on hand.

**Hellmaskbanned** · 08-30-2006, 02:20 PM

Test bloats alot more than deca IMO.

So if your on an AI you can basically run anything with little to no bloat.

I like Swifto's prop & tbol combo. LOL but kinda off track from your goals & ur outlined cycle. Test E or C/ EQ / Var or tbol ......... Test E or C/Deca/Var or tbol......Thats what i think u should do..... Your gluccosamine/chondroiten will be taking better effect later on so I think ur joints will do fine.....BUT Me personally (I have joint probs) Would not run EQ or VAR. Both dry you out.

If your concerned with joints Test E or C/deca/Dbol or drol would be a great cycle for them.

**Dangerdan** · 08-30-2006, 02:21 PM

I understand that deca is used primarily for bulking and I did experience some bloat from it during my last cycle. Like I said, its just hard for me to pass up on using it after the gains from my last cycle, but I guess I should probably be trying new compunds anyway. Also, I already have the sust so thats gonna be my test. How about cutting out the deca and running:

Sust 500mg weekly 1-12
EQ 600mg weekly 1-12
Var 60mg daily weeks 5-12

I think this cycle should help me put on a decent amount of muscle whilst adding vascularity as well as shedding a bit of bodyfat.

**Dangerdan** · 08-30-2006, 02:22 PM

Damn it Hellmask, now I'm worried about joints again.

BG · 08-30-2006, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

Agreed.

A form of Testosterone, with an oral or other compound will suffice. Keep it simple. More compounds often means more sides, not more gains.

Agreed also, I would drop the EQ, at 12 weeks its just getting going imo.

**Dangerdan** · 08-30-2006, 02:24 PM

I guess I could modify hellmask's cycle to:

Originally Posted by Hellmask

Sust/Deca/Var or tbol......Thats what i think u should do.....

**Dangerdan** · 08-30-2006, 02:26 PM

I'm way too confused now. I'm gonna have to go back to the drawing board I suppose. Thanks for the advice guys.

**Hellmaskbanned** · 08-30-2006, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by Dangerdan

I guess I could modify hellmask's cycle to:

Your joints should be cushioned quite well.
Tbol would be better IMO , but it doesn't matter. Var shouldn't dry you out with Sust& deca there....
Watch your AI dose.....Taking to much of that will suck to much water out making your joints dry defeating the hole purpose of using deca etc.....

**Swifto** · 08-30-2006, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by BigGuns101

Agreed also, I would drop the EQ, at 12 weeks its just getting going imo.

Well done for your promotion. Keep giving the good advice.

**Swifto** · 08-30-2006, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Dangerdan

I understand that deca is used primarily for bulking and I did experience some bloat from it during my last cycle. Like I said, its just hard for me to pass up on using it after the gains from my last cycle, but I guess I should probably be trying new compunds anyway. Also, I already have the sust so thats gonna be my test. How about cutting out the deca and running:

Sust 500mg weekly 1-12
EQ 600mg weekly 1-12
Var 60mg daily weeks 5-12

I think this cycle should help me put on a decent amount of muscle whilst adding vascularity as well as shedding a bit of bodyfat.

You wont gain another 20lbs on the Deca alone. Cycling doesnt owrk like that. You often have to up the dose and add more compounds. If this were the case ( I wish it was), Ronnie would probably still be on Test Enan 250-500mg/wk!

**Dangerdan** · 08-30-2006, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

You wont gain another 20lbs on the Deca alone. Cycling doesnt owrk like that. You often have to up the dose and add more compounds. If this were the case ( I wish it was), Ronnie would probably still be on Test Enan 250-500mg/wk!

I realise I can't expect the same gains from an identical cycle. On the other hand, I know my body responds well to deca so I would like to use it in future cycles.

**Swifto** · 08-30-2006, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Dangerdan

I realise I can't expect the same gains from an identical cycle. On the other hand, I know my body responds well to deca so I would like to use it in future cycles.

Which is what you can do. I just done feel it matches your goals of better vascularity. You've used joint supplementation to good effect, so use that, not Deca IMO.

Test/Var, Test/EQ/Var or Test/Tbol IMHO.

**Dangerdan** · 08-30-2006, 02:53 PM

Thanks again Swifto; I'm gonna do some more research and I will think about holding off on the deca for the next cycle.

BG · 08-30-2006, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

Well done for your promotion. Keep giving the good advice.

Thanks buddy.

**Hellmaskbanned** · 08-30-2006, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by BigGuns101

Thanks buddy.

Yeah BG, well done bro just noticed it aswell!

**Dangerdan** · 08-30-2006, 02:58 PM

Am I correct in thinking that only UGL's produce Tbol? This is based on the site profile which I realize may be outdated?

**Ufa** · 08-30-2006, 02:59 PM

For me Var seems to loose it's kick after a couple of months. I did a low
dose 25mg am & 25 pm for about 4 months. Been off a month on Var,
and 6 weeks on Deca . Just test and GH. Got to get natty before long
vacation to central america.

But to get back to origional question. I don't know why any body can't do
Var for 12 weeks. Just remember to keep BP monitored, as well as cholesterol, (maybe take cholesterol pill- like zocor or some other statin)
Good thing about Var is short half life, you can make adjustments.