I have always wanted to experiment with a Primo/Var cycle. So my proposed cycle looks like this...

Wks 1-16 : Primo 1.4g/wk
Wks 1-16 : Var 100mg/day

My question is, how much harder would I be shutdown if I added something like this into the mix...

Wks 1-5 : Tren 60mg/day
Wks 1-5 : Tbol 50mg/day

Obviously tren shuts you down pretty hard... but would I bounce back any over the following 11wks. From what I understand the reason people keep so much of their gains when taking primo/var, is because of the minor HPTA suppression - and the fast recovery post cycle. Would adding tren negate this at all? And if yes, how much?

Goals for the cycle are lean mass. Obviously the tren/tbol would be used for as much mass as possible in the first 5wks, then I would be cutting whilst trying to add a little muscle.

Please don't lecture me on 1. adding testosterone - this is how I am running the cycle and I don't need to hear it. Or 2. abusing orals - the damaging effects of orals are highly overrated, IMO. Let's just stick to the topic.

Cheers!