Bp Is Up, Cutting Anavar Out!!!

[*Alex*]

so, I have been feeling like shit all day, got my bp checked and its 156 /80 . I have been on var for 5 weeks at 80mg ED. not sure if i need to stop or take few days off. also runniing 500mg test e. 11 weeks in. what should I do?

[STEROIDZZ]

156 isnt that bad bro.. i know what ur talking about though you feel like your head is going to blow up... i think you will be ok at that high of bp.. but if it gets any higher i would seize the var... and just finish up the test.... being 11wks in isnt your cycle almost over ? if it is ... try and tough it out.. but if it gets too bad drop it

[Hellmaskbanned]

It's the Test.

[Hellmaskbanned]

How much weight have you gained?
Any bloating?

[*Alex*]

yep last week on cycle , i'll miss it. test is king and var on the other hand is so so . i'll ride this one out i guess, my head does feel like its going to blow. p.s. var, i'm not impress with, litle gains but big $.

[*Alex*]

up 26 pounds, lil water.

[STEROIDZZ]

Sorry Hellmask i just read profile for var my mistake,,,, and yes var is very expensive ... many people report great lean gains.. others are very unsatisfied with it.... Just tough it out bro... my head feels like its going to blow even not on gear lol.... but i found the source of that... another idea is check your diet.. try to limit sodium intake, that helped me out a lot... the salt shaker is your enemby

[Hellmaskbanned]

Your bp isn't that high...How many times did you measure it? What size cuff did you have? Normal cuffs are to small for arms over 16 and give inaccurate readings. Lots of factors can change BP.

[Hellmaskbanned]

So I would continue taking the var. BP on cycle will go up some , depending on wht compounds you use....test raises it alot......

After cycle your BP most likely and should go back to normal. Nice gains , sounds like it went well.

[mick-g]

Try lowering the dosage alitttle and are you taking anything to help lowering it. I take apple cider vinegar about 1oz and mix it with some Crystal Lite Raspberry Ice 4oz and take it every nite (it helps to thin the blood and balance ph levels). I also take 1200mg ed red yeast rice to help with cholesterol and 1 St Joseph asprin ed to help with platelet flow.

[*Alex*]

cool, thanks guys. i have 3 more weeks on var.so i'll keep my fingers crossed. I LOVE TEST.

[Hellmaskbanned]

Yeah just keep going. Same doses etc. Your BP isn't high enough to start to worry. If you were off cycle That wouldn't be healthy no, but ur on. Keep your same doses because you don't want to mess with your steady bloodlevels.

[Bigmax]

Hey bro 26 pounds will bring your BP up...remember what test does to you...brings the RBC count high and thickens the blood along with the hematocrit....are you taking aspirin???...go ahead and keep your water intake high and some hawthorne berry should help...regardless watch the bottom number 80 isnt bad but we dont want it to climb.

[goalseeker]

Im in week 5 of var.. 50ed first 3 weeks, 100mg/ed for the last 2 weeks...running prop and masteron at 100/ed also....been noticing that Im pretty sore in the mornings when I wake up.. kinda feel like poo also..... going to the doc tomorrow for a physical, so will be interesting to see what my BP is at.. and what the cause is....are you sore at all?

[*Alex*]

Im in week 5 of var.. 50ed first 3 weeks, 100mg/ed for the last 2 weeks...running prop and masteron at 100/ed also....been noticing that Im pretty sore in the mornings when I wake up.. kinda feel like poo also..... going to the doc tomorrow for a physical, so will be interesting to see what my BP is at.. and what the cause is....are you sore at all?

my joints are sore as hell and I feel tired in the morning. I think my liver values are up, fvcking hate orals. my first and last oral AAS. and to answer your question , I'm sore but i do train hard and that why i'm sore.

[pdog80]

Ok.....finish up your cycle and wait it out for 3-4 weeks and measure your bp again. If it's still high, you may want to consider prescription meds or you may have heart problems later on. This is something to look out for.

[Maldorf]

up 26 pounds, lil water.

yikes, thats a huge gain in weight in just 5 weeks, mostly water. Are you taking anything like arimidex to block conversion into estrogen?

[Property of Steroid.com]

I'm on Anavar right now (along with test prop), and I've been using Grape Seed Extract to help keep my blood pressure down (though it's usually ok) and improve my cholesterol and triglycerides (it's also a mild Aromatase Inhibitor, by the way). I've been doing this ever since my last bloodwork showed that my triglycerides and some other stuff needed to come down a bit.

There's a bunch of studies on medline (hundreds) pretty much showing that Grape Seed Extract basically combats nearly everything (side effects) that we'd want to fight, as steroid users.

I'd love it if it was produced in a pill with a little B-6 (to fight progesterone a bit) and some garlic to aid testicular function. That would be great...it would be an AI, Anti-Progesterone, and testosterone booster (garlic increases Intra Testicular Testosterone , which is what HCG does when you use it during a cycle to potentially help you recover faster afterwards....garlic also lowers bad cholesterol and lowers triglycerides ).

That would be the shit. I should contact a supplement company and ask if they could do something like that, to be a natural supplement to use on a cycle....

I wonder how that would go over?

[*Alex*]

I'm on Anavar right now (along with test prop), and I've been using Grape Seed Extract to help keep my blood pressure down (though it's usually ok) and improve my cholesterol and triglycerides (it's also a mild Aromatase Inhibitor, by the way). I've been doing this ever since my last bloodwork showed that my triglycerides and some other stuff needed to come down a bit.

There's a bunch of studies on medline (hundreds) pretty much showing that Grape Seed Extract basically combats nearly everything (side effects) that we'd want to fight, as steroid users.

I'd love it if it was produced in a pill with a little B-6 (to fight progesterone a bit) and some garlic to aid testicular function. That would be great...it would be an AI, Anti-Progesterone, and testosterone booster (garlic increases Intra Testicular Testosterone , which is what HCG does when you use it during a cycle to potentially help you recover faster afterwards....garlic also lowers bad cholesterol and lowers triglycerides ).

That would be the shit. I should contact a supplement company and ask if they could do something like that, to be a natural supplement to use on a cycle....

I wonder how that would go over?

GREAT IDEA.JUST GOT IT PATENED! thanks for the info.

[*Alex*]

yikes, thats a huge gain in weight in just 5 weeks, mostly water. Are you taking anything like arimidex to block conversion into estrogen?

5 weeks? its week 11! i'm on 10mg of nolva.

[Property of Steroid.com]

5 weeks? its week 11! i'm on 10mg of nolva.

Nolvadex increases the amount of estrogen in your body, usually...it doesn't decrease it. In other words, when your body is able to produce testosterone , nolvadex increases it, and that extra testosterone is still subject to aromatization (conversion to estrogen). SO that's how Nolvadex increases estrogen, even though nobody really talks about it (or notices it), because that extra estrogen is prevented from causing typical estrogenic sides by that same Nolvadex. Your estrogen goes up, but you don't suffer estrogenic sides with Nolvadex (again, this is applicable when your body is able to produce testosterone, such as during pct, but probably not on a cycle).

That's why Nolvadex is called a Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator. This means that it acts on the Estrogen receptor (called the "ER" but having nothing to do with George Clooney or Anthony Edwards). Now, this also means that it acts as an estrogen in some tissues which acts as an antiestrogen in some tissues...as well as being able to increase your overall amount of estrogen via aromatization, where applicable.

The estrogen receptor's ligand binding domain is just of a number of amino acid sequences "folded" into a series of helixes, which have the ability to change conformation. Different stimuli (such as Nolvadex) are well documented to have the ability to change the conformation of a very important helix (helix 12, for those keeping score at home).

When estradiol binds the ER, this particular helix takes on a conformation that allows DNA transcription to mRNA, and estrogenic effects are then expressed in the body. When Nolvadex (Tamoxifen ) binds to it, the antagonist changes the shape of this helix in such a way that it now folds (or bends) in such a way to prevent proper binding of estrogen, and subsequent transcription of DNA to mRNA.

The ER (remember, no George Clooney) contains two areas called AF-1 and AF-2. Nolvadex actually only inactivates AF-2. Since there are two areas that can can initiate transcription of mRNA, and Nolvadex is estrogenic in some tissues but an anti-estrogen (sort of) in others,it is possible that AF-1 is the dominant domain of estrogen gene transcription in the liver (for example) but not in mammary (breast) tissue.

[pdog80]

Sorry for highjacking, but where can you get grape seed extract? I'm thinking any supplement store?