No pct...

[Mark Yager]

I seen a thread some where that had a story on one of tese forums about bumping test down at the end of a cycle to like 75 or 100 mgs a week for 4 weeks untill your natural test comes back with no clomid or nolva. Anyone know where that story is or have any thoughts on this?

[pdog80]

Sounds like cruising. Even if your injecting low amounts of test, your HPTA will never fully recover, it'll just be suppressed. In the long run, this is not a good idea unless you suffer from low natty test.

[perfectbeast2001]

natural test will not come back while on gear. If it did I would just bridge between all my cycles. You can cruise at these low doses but you will still need a pct when you come off.

[Duke of Earl]

it's called tapering & is old school & not really used anymore

[Hackamaniac]

I seen a thread some where that had a story on one of tese forums about bumping test down at the end of a cycle to like 75 or 100 mgs a week for 4 weeks untill your natural test comes back with no clomid or nolva. Anyone know where that story is or have any thoughts on this?

I know who your talking about but I think he said you still use nolva,aromasin and lower the doses and you won't get depression...I think that was the whole reasoning because clomid can make you depressed...

[goalseeker]

It would be wise to go get a blood check done if no pct is being used....

[Swifto]

No PCT is just stupid IMHO. AI's/SERMS can be purchased cheaply and obtained easily.

Lowering the dose of testosterone wont work IMO. The pituitary will still be suppressed IMHO and no testosterone will be produced, even at a low dose.

[BG]

I agree with swifto on the pct idea, his hcg/nolva pct worked great for me. When coming off of a long cycle though (24 weeks) I do taper down to 200mgs of test then run that for the last 3 weeks then into normal pct regimine. My body doesnt crash as hard, less acne , recover seemed easier and I kept all but 3lbs of gains.

[Swifto]

I agree with swifto on the pct idea, his hcg/nolva pct worked great for me. When coming off of a long cycle though (24 weeks) I do taper down to 200mgs of test then run that for the last 3 weeks then into normal pct regimine. My body doesnt crash as hard, less acne , recover seemed easier and I kept all but 3lbs of gains.

Very intresting. I may try this.

[Swifto]

I agree with swifto on the pct idea, his hcg/nolva pct worked great for me. When coming off of a long cycle though (24 weeks) I do taper down to 200mgs of test then run that for the last 3 weeks then into normal pct regimine. My body doesnt crash as hard, less acne , recover seemed easier and I kept all but 3lbs of gains.

Add Proviron and you got yourself a decent PCT protocol.

[Mark Yager]

Problem is clomid sides are unbarable and nolva causes blood clots. I had a friend recently die from a blood clot. ADex isn't a problem. Whats the alternitive?

[Swifto]

HCG and an AI should suffice IMO. HCG/Aromasin being the best choice.

[BG]

Add Proviron and you got yourself a decent PCT protocol.

Absolutely!

[Mark Yager]

Ok, cool. HCG, Adex and proviron. So would using the Anthony Roberts pct and replacing the nolva with proviron work? And if so, how much prov should be used?

[one8nine]

I seen a thread some where that had a story on one of tese forums about bumping test down at the end of a cycle to like 75 or 100 mgs a week for 4 weeks untill your natural test comes back with no clomid or nolva. Anyone know where that story is or have any thoughts on this?

thats what i do, i never liked having 2 balls to begin with so i dont see a need to ever grow them back

[Mark Yager]

Ok, cool. HCG, Adex and proviron. So would using the Anthony Roberts pct and replacing the nolva with proviron work? And if so, how much prov should be used?

ttt?

[vein-x]

This is a good topic, one I've had a question about for a while..

Can a sucessful PCT be run w/o Clomid? I'll be running Aromasin on my next cycle to keep estrogen-related side effects to a minimum. But last time I ran PCT it included Clomid and I honestly had thoughts of suicide. It was ridiculous and not worth risking again unless absolutely necessary. Thank GOD I came back to normal, although it was months before I fully recovered...

SO, can I run HCG/A-Dex/Nolva/Proviron @ recommended dosages to get around running Clomid? I don't feel like another 3 months of depression.