Do All AAS Require a Calorific Excess to Build?

[LBT]

I know that when shedding BF, the use of an AAS is employed to try maintain muscle mass but is there a Steroid that will build muscle whilst on a calorific deficit?

(Hang in there everyone, I'm still reading and taking notes!)

[Mesomorphyl]

I have heard primobolan depot will on a caloric defeciancy. You will however need alot and by that I mean 700-1000mg per week, and it is expensive...

[pdog80]

I speak from experience when I say that primo works great even when the calories are low. Other AAS that work while on a low cal diet include, masteron , tren , var, winny, and possibly eq. Just remember to keep the protein high though.

[pdog80]

Where'd you get that avatar? It's really caught my attention. He he.

[marcus300]

I would agree that primo is good on low calories but high amounts are needed for good results, to be honest i wouldnt use a AAS to maintain my muscle tissue while dieting (this depends on many things but in general i wouldnt) i use AAS to build muscle tissue, i would look at other avenues like carb cycling which drops bf while maintaining muscle tissue, also this method is an excellent spring board to a cycle which will produce quality gains

[1buffsob]

Like marcus said, I wouldn't waste much aas for cutting unless you're competing. A low dose of test possibly, but not much more that. But, IMO, tren would probably be the best in a calorie deficit because of it's increased feed effeciancy. Can't speak for primo though.

[goose]

I use primo in every cutting cycle I do,Primobolan Depot is an extremely effective steroid that's earned its respect as the safest injectable steroid. It's the only steroid that will yield solid gains even on a low calorie diet. It's also the only steroid that will build solid muscle slowly with minimal to no side effects... No acne, no aggression, no water bloat, no loss of sex drive, and its the only steroid that will not shut down HPTA.You will hear that primo is weak, That's not exactly accurate. Let`s compare it to Deca which is a great substance but is also very calorie dependant. Primo is not, primo can allow your diet to be a little loose. A few quotes by Bill Roberts: "It appears to cause less inhibition than Deca or testosterone for any given degree of anabolic effect, perhaps because of low CNS activity, lack of conversion to DHT, and lack of aromatization to estrogen." It only makes sence to add primo in cutting cycle when you are reducing your as much as you can and trying to build some quality muscle.

[marcus300]

I use primo in every cutting cycle I do,Primobolan Depot is an extremely effective steroid that's earned its respect as the safest injectable steroid. It's the only steroid that will yield solid gains even on a low calorie diet. It's also the only steroid that will build solid muscle slowly with minimal to no side effects... No acne, no aggression, no water bloat, no loss of sex drive, and its the only steroid that will not shut down HPTA.You will hear that primo is weak, That's not exactly accurate. Let`s compare it to Deca which is a great substance but is also very calorie dependant. Primo is not, primo can allow your diet to be a little loose. A few quotes by Bill Roberts: "It appears to cause less inhibition than Deca or testosterone for any given degree of anabolic effect, perhaps because of low CNS activity, lack of conversion to DHT, and lack of aromatization to estrogen." It only makes sence to add primo in cutting cycle when you are reducing your as much as you can and trying to build some quality muscle.

I take it from that response your a primo lover

good info on primo mate.

[pdog80]

Hey primo's the next best thing to tren . He he.

[LBT]

Thanks guys, very interesting stuff indeed!

[perfectbeast2001]

if primo does not shut you down it could be used to bridge too?

[guns626]

Interesting! I would like to hear more on perfectbeasts? Can it be used to bridge?

[Swifto]

I use primo in every cutting cycle I do,Primobolan Depot is an extremely effective steroid that's earned its respect as the safest injectable steroid. It's the only steroid that will yield solid gains even on a low calorie diet. It's also the only steroid that will build solid muscle slowly with minimal to no side effects... No acne, no aggression, no water bloat, no loss of sex drive, and its the only steroid that will not shut down HPTA.You will hear that primo is weak, That's not exactly accurate. Let`s compare it to Deca which is a great substance but is also very calorie dependant. Primo is not, primo can allow your diet to be a little loose. A few quotes by Bill Roberts: "It appears to cause less inhibition than Deca or testosterone for any given degree of anabolic effect, perhaps because of low CNS activity, lack of conversion to DHT, and lack of aromatization to estrogen." It only makes sence to add primo in cutting cycle when you are reducing your as much as you can and trying to build some quality muscle.

Incorrect.

Many AS wont cause total HPTA "shutdown".

[Swifto]

Interesting! I would like to hear more on perfectbeasts? Can it be used to bridge?

Yes you can and many do/have done.

In thoery you can use any AS that doesnt cause total HPTA shutdown here. But endogenous amounts of testosterone wont be restored.

Primo with IGF/HGH and possibly Insulin sounds good to me.

[guns626]

Thanks Swifto!

[marcus300]

Primo will shut you down, its not as harsh but will shut down,

[marcus300]

Primo will shut you down, its not as harsh but will shut down,

[perfectbeast2001]

Primo will shut you down, its not as harsh but will shut down,

Yep just checked it out myself and unfortunately it does. Shame.

[Swifto]

Primo will shut you down and massive doses of run for long peroids. At 300-800mg/wk (bridging doses), I cant see it shutting your HPTA down. Only suppressing it.

[Swifto]

Yep just checked it out myself and unfortunately it does. Shame.

From where?

[JohnboyF]

Like marcus said, I wouldn't waste much aas for cutting unless you're competing. A low dose of test possibly, but not much more that. But, IMO, tren would probably be the best in a calorie deficit because of it's increased feed effeciancy. Can't speak for primo though.

What does buff mean by increased feed effeciancy?

[Tren Bull]

I know that when shedding BF, the use of an AAS is employed to try maintain muscle mass but is there a Steroid that will build muscle whilst on a calorific deficit?

(Hang in there everyone, I'm still reading and taking notes!)

id be willing to bet that if you took enough of any steroid then youd gain muscle even on a cutting diet, but youd still need to be eating alot of protein and some complex carbs.

btw, tren acetate/test prop is a very popular cutting stack. trenbolone is one of the most effective types of steroids for gaining size while losing fat at the same time

[Tren Bull]

What does buff mean by increased feed effeciancy?

tren makes your body absorb more nutrients out of your food than normal

[perfectbeast2001]

From where?

Anabolics 2006. "moderate doses 100-200mg will not effect endogenous testosterone levels , at higher doses strong supression of testosterone is noted"

So at 100-200mg it night be ok but that is a pointless dose, you might as well inject water!

[Swifto]

Anabolics 2006. "moderate doses 100-200mg will not effect endogenous testosterone levels , at higher doses strong supression of testosterone is noted"

So at 100-200mg it night be ok but that is a pointless dose, you might as well inject water!

Suppression, not "shutdown". Primo is a mild compound on the HPTA IMO.

[marcus300]

Suppression, not "shutdown". Primo is a mild compound on the HPTA IMO.

One theory will say it wont shut you down the other will say mild suppression, its what happens in real life what counts and ive used primo and many client have for years now and alot do have shut down there is no set rule, ive even had one who had shut down from a cutting cycle with primo the main compound the rest cutting compounds, it happens in some!

I would say that they more or less all used high amounts of primo but saying that low amounts do jack anyway.

[Swifto]

One theory will say it wont shut you down the other will say mild suppression, its what happens in real life what counts and ive used primo and many client have for years now and alot do have shut down there is no set rule, ive even had one who had shut down from a cutting cycle with primo the main compound the rest cutting compounds, it happens in some!

I would say that they more or less all used high amounts of primo but saying that low amounts do jack anyway.

No doubting you mate. But, was this found with bloodwork done? Was recovery harder for each client?

[marcus300]

No doubting you mate. But, was this found with bloodwork done? Was recovery harder for each client?

Bloodwork with most of them but these people know there own bodys.

[Swifto]

Bloodwork with most of them but these people know there own bodys.

What were their dosages?

[marcus300]

What were their dosages?

Come on swifto you know better than that....

dosages are high, but some average but as ive already stated its useless on a low dose anyway,

No point in trying to Analise it some get shut down some dont its down to the individual, doesn't matter if one person took it and never got shut down, when your using chemicals in the human body there is NOTHING SET IN STONE,

Me personally get shut down on high dosages, i say try it and see and then you know how your going to react, you cant say it wont shut you down because it does happen.

[Swifto]

Come on swifto you know better than that....

dosages are high, but some average but as ive already stated its useless on a low dose anyway,

No point in trying to Analise it some get shut down some dont its down to the individual, doesn't matter if one person took it and never got shut down, when your using chemicals in the human body there is NOTHING SET IN STONE,

Me personally get shut down on high dosages, i say try it and see and then you know how your going to react, you cant say it wont shut you down because it does happen.

I know effects vary from individual to individual. But I just cant see how this occrus on papar. But then, Tbols isnt meant to aromotase, structurly and I've seen gyno been reported a few times on using it alone...

[marcus300]

I know effects vary from individual to individual. But I just cant see how this occrus on papar. But then, Tbols isnt meant to aromotase, structurly and I've seen gyno been reported a few times on using it alone...

Exactly my friend, reported on paper!!! theory,studies are are worth reading to get knowledge from but dont believe everything you read, ive seen studies saying one thing and the next a completely different view, this is the problem with this game to many chiefs and not enough Idians,

Experience using the drugs is worth taking note of and not studies or theorys which conflict each other, chemicals within the human body have different response's to different indiduals, this is why we have a site like this to gain knowledge of other users,

We better not go into the tbol thing hahaha you know my view on that LOL, its completly the oppersite to yours which gives more evidence to LISTEN TO YOUR OWN BODY AND NOT SOME STUDY,

[Swifto]

Exactly my friend, reported on paper!!! theory,studies are are worth reading to get knowledge from but dont believe everything you read, ive seen studies saying one thing and the next a completely different view, this is the problem with this game to many chiefs and not enough Idians,

Experience using the drugs is worth taking note of and not studies or theorys which conflict each other, chemicals within the human body have different response's to different indiduals, this is why we have a site like this to gain knowledge of other users,

We better not go into the tbol thing hahaha you know my view on that LOL, its completly the oppersite to yours which gives more evidence to LISTEN TO YOUR OWN BODY AND NOT SOME STUDY,

Ok I wont...

I love a little debate, thats all.

[marcus300]

Ok I wont...

I love a little debate, thats all.

so do i my friend, lol

(oh by the way tbol sucks) sorry couldnt help myself

[Swifto]

so do i my friend, lol

(oh by the way tbol sucks) sorry couldnt help myself

Oi...

Wow....

Hang on a minute.....

Now your getting carried away!

[guest589745]

It requires caloritastic excess not calorific. Maybe even caloristicespealidocious.

[cfiler]

Personally I wouldn't risk gains by not eating enough. I eat everything is sight when bulking.

Better safe then sorry imo.

But that's just the way my body is. If I don't take in a HUGE amount of callories, I don't gain a lb.

[yom]

id like to try primo but at a price 8 x that of deca ill h0ld off for now.

[goose]

Incorrect.

Many AS wont cause total HPTA "shutdown".

Thanks for the correction,I meant to add Servely after `and its the only steroid that will not shut down HPTA`

Some good points concerning the levels and Complexity of shutdown,the AAS that will not shut down winny,Var,primo,Dbol ,Halo,Tbol,EQ,andriol and masteon.Quite a bunch.Your HPTA will suffer greater suppression when two of these AAS are combined which could Eventually shut you down.I have to agree if your using any of these AAS it is still possible to be shutdown.