advice on clean bulk needed with pics

[Ironarms]

In My cycle experience I have always bulked up with test, dbols, anadrol and deca. This summer I finally learned a lot about my diet and training and got to the best shape. now that I have all this new lean solid ripped muscle, im leaning away towards drugs that blow me up. Instead this winter i would like to do a clean 8 week bulk cycle.

age 25
5 foot 10
205 lbs
10 %

i was thinking of something like this
1-8 400 mg cyp
1-8 50 mg prop ed
1-8 400 eq
300-500 iu hcg every 4th-5th day

pct 2 weeks after last shot
50 mg aromasin ed
clomid 300/100/50

[coldone]

In My cycle experience I have always bulked up with test, dbols, anadrol and deca. This summer I finally learned a lot about my diet and training and got to the best shape. now that I have all this new lean solid ripped muscle, im leaning away towards drugs that blow me up. Instead this winter i would like to do a clean 8 week bulk cycle.

age 25
5 foot 10
205 lbs
10 %

i was thinking of something like this
1-8 400 mg cyp
1-8 50 mg prop ed
1-8 400 eq
300-500 iu hcg every 4th-5th day

pct 2 weeks after last shot
50 mg aromasin ed
clomid 300/100/50

I would say at a min drop the eq for deca. For a 8 week cycle you really wont feel the eq, most say it takes 12+ weeks for eq to really kick in.

[Bigmax]

Bro,you're not looking bad in the pic...Lean gains... would be more of test prop,masteron and tren.Providing you have cycled a bit.There are other compounds that you can look into aswell.

[Ironarms]

thanks for the compliment...i defintely wanna BULK UP but not get the water retention look...i wanna keep the cycle somewhat mild and save those shredding drugs for the summer....my main goal is to put as much lean mass as possible....i figured prop would do the trick and to get a little more i was going to throw in the cyp, knowing i might get water retntion but my diet will be ion check and its the winter...what u think?

[Ironarms]

bump

[LatinoPR]

I would say at a min drop the eq for deca. For a 8 week cycle you really wont feel the eq, most say it takes 12+ weeks for eq to really kick in.

.....and also @ 600/week to be efective...

[goalseeker]

nice nipple........
just kidding bro.. wish i was as lean as you are!!!!

[Ironarms]

have u ever done a prop only cycle...im trying to do some research as a clean bulker

[skipp]

I would just stick with 100mg of prop ED. With the HCG

[goalseeker]

done prop the last 3 cycles... its great.. but Ive always ran it with another compound... Right now its var and masteron... gotta love the short esters!!!!

[Ironarms]

i cant throw in eq because im only running cycle for 8 weeks right?

var is too costly at the moment for me, its the winter so i want another compound that will put on lean size

[POSH]

i cant throw in eq because im only running cycle for 8 weeks right?

var is too costly at the moment for me, its the winter so i want another compound that will put on lean size

Correct, why not run a 10 or 12 week cycle? I know for me my test doesn't REALLY start kicking in until around week 6.... but that is just me, everyone is different.

I am currently doing a bulk cycle that I am very pleased with....16 weeks including cyp, eq enanthate, tren enanthate, letro (as anti-e and to keep down water), and a few other items in the beginning,but you said you didn't want those types. If you want prop instead of cyp., you could do eod prop, eq, and tren a......tren for the last 6-8 weeks. I just love tren as a clean, fat burning bulker, but read up if you have never used it before.
Good Luck

[T3/T4 GSR]

You look a lot bigger than 205 at 5'10 10%...how are your legs doing?

[Ironarms]

my legs are my weak point...i wanna do 8 weeks on 8 weeks off and repeat all year round, instead of doing longer cycles

some more pics

[IBdmfkr]

How are the legs?

Btw, HCG isn't needed for 8wk cycle.. If you use Deca or Eq get the faster acting compound (ex. Nandrolone phynlpropionate or Bold Base)
Personally I'd just run Prop for 8wks at 75-100mg/day with possibly Dbol or Drol as a kickstart for 4wks. If your diet is clean and you do a bit of cardio very little bloat/fat will be gained. Consider using a good AI if needed (ex. Letro/Arimidex/Aromasin).

[Ironarms]

i know this is different for everyone....but what kind of gains can be made from prop only cycle?

[IBdmfkr]

That question can't be answered, Run it and find out.

[Ironarms]

here are some pics of what i have going

[IBdmfkr]

Good base brother, just need more thickness/density.. Take some pics of legs or fullbody pics for better critique.. without a good lower foundation don't expect to keep growing up top.

[Ironarms]

these are picks i took today...for the past 3 weeks i have been trying to increase my calorie intake and carbs so i dont feel im as lean...i do not have 1 single pic of my legs, probably bc im not proud of them

[goalseeker]

really decent foundation to start from. you will do well bro...

[Ironarms]

do u think some cyp and deca will ruin what i got, and make me all bloated?

i mean its the winter but i worked so hard all summer long to get lean and i kinda dont wanna throw it out the window...i have heard some people bulk in winter and dont care about fat and others try to lean bulk so when its time to get shredded, they are that much closer

too many options...little confused...but thanks for the compliment

[IBdmfkr]

The compounds aren't gonna necessarily bloat you bro, many ppl think because they are on anabolics they can either eat anything in sight to try and bulk or they up their calories to rediculous amounts thinking their body will utilize them magically because of the gear which in turn makes them hold excessive amounts of water/fat which they see as "gains". Therefore you diet once again will have the most affect on your outcome from any cycle depending a little bit on the compounds.. I'm staying extremely lean on an Anadrol/Prop cycle right now.